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Ssraeszha Raider
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Vanguard started off terrible but turned it around. It did get a murdered moment later in life, it just had a smaller audience than Rift when it happened. Rift murdered it very early comparatively.
Rift was pretty successful well into their 1st expansion. That's when they decided "Fuck your fun builds, 61 points into a single spec or you're shit"
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