Lumi's Batshit Insane Thread

Neuromancer said:

I support the Hep B vaccine for babies. I do not support it for babies at birth + 0 hours.

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Who cares what you support? The fact is that the medical community realized that the best way to win this fight was to vaccinate children early, so that they didn't pick up an uncurable disease from an unknowing care giver or close family member who was infected, and that was the proper choice.

Dislike it all you want. That is irrelevant.

jayrebb said:

You think so-called anti-vaxx studies are readily available? Check your privilege, guy.

There's gross differences. Most of what I found is behind paywalls and posting titles of studies would be worthless. I also had and have no time at the moment to go over any of his links.

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"ITS A CONSPIRACY!"

This is what all the whackos, cranks, snake oil peddlers, charlatans, frauds and hucksters claim, you know, when called out on their horseshit. "Oh its the system, its rigged against me! So unfair!"

Take that shit to the Scientology meet ups buddy.

Here's an Intelligent Design website claiming conspiracy by academia against them as well


FAQ: Why isn't intelligent design found published in peer-reviewed science journals?

AQ: Why isn't intelligent design found published in peer-reviewed science journals?


The Short Answer:

Point A. Science is not done by committee. It does not matter that intelligent design is rarely found in the journals because as free-thinking responsible scientists, we must test a theory ourselves and see if it holds up and not judge a theory based upon its apparent lack of presence in mainstream journals, or even by the "popular opinion" of the scientific community.

Point B. ID proponents have published articles in peer reviewed science journals advocating their pro-design positions. Admittedly, these articles are rare. However, even if it does matter that intelligent design is scarcely found in mainstream peer reviewed journals, the counterpoint is that design is not excluded from the journals on the basis of its merits, but rather because of "new paradigm opposition." History of science has taught us that journals tend to exclude ideas which are radically opposed to current paradigms. Intelligent design is at odds with both the prevailing paradigm of biology today, evolution, as well as the prevailing mechanistic philosophy of science dominating origins science. Thus, exclusion of intelligent design is only to be expected, even if intelligent design is supported by evidence.

Point C. Though "opposition to new paradigms" plays a major role in the exclusion of design from journals, the exclusion is also the byproduct of a political controversy, which serves to instill misunderstandings about intelligent design theory in the minds of many scientists, who are misled to believe that intelligent design is an untestable religious theory that has no place competing with true empirically based scientific theories in the journals. Misunderstandings about the theory itself--and not opposition to its evidential merits--play a very large role in its exclusion.

Point D. Actually, upon closer inspection, once one understands the predictions of intelligent design theory, it becomes clear that there is much data published in the journals already supporting intelligent design theory; researchers simply have not been inferring design because the implications of their results have not been made clear to them.


Boring shit regurgitated arguments are boring shit and tripe.

Neuromancer said:

Cite me how they came to the conclusion. Don't include initials like CDC. See if you can find out how that decision was made.

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I've already done that. They came to the conclusion because the rates of infection weren't being impacted enough by merely targeting adult high risk groups, such as homosexual males and needle injection drug abusers.

I know its a lot of copy pasta, but you're just gonna have to suck it up buttercup and read it for yourself.

Butthurt all you want Jayrebb, the fact is you just admitted there is no peer review evidence for your position.

You can blame that on a hostile and conspiratorial worldview all you want. In fact, I'm happy you're doing so.

Because the rational, reasonable people that read this conversation will notice your failure to provide evidence for your point of view, and your appeal to conspiracy theory as a justification for your gross failure in providing said citations, and they will recognize this for what it is:

An explicit admission of defeat on your part.

I learned long ago you cannot change the minds of irrational people who believe irrational things. These conversations are for the onlookers and the peanut gallery's benefit, not yours.

"With all due respect, this is the same form of erroneous and baseless charge leveled by most quacks, frauds, con artists, snake oil salesmen, homeopaths and peddlers of pseudoscience: “There’s a conspiracy to suppress my ideas, therefore they are right. Why would you trust these so-called experts, they’re biased!” Every climate change denier, every Ken Ham and Kent Hovind trailer park diploma waggling young Earth creationist with evidence for dinosaurs living alongside man, every Deepak Chopra with his claims to quantum vibrations and their relationship to preventing type 2 diabetes, and every Vani Hari peddling products filled with chemicals that she decries as profoundly fatal if ingested proclaim, upon the first and most mildest of criticism leveled against them, that their critics are paid character assassins, working for evil corporations, or the government, or the reptilian lizard people. It’s a delusional rebuttal devoid of substance, and a strong indicator of a crank trying to make a quick buck."

Source: Myself, refuting race claims by Nicholas Wade, but this rebuttal works against many pseudo scientific claims. It is widely applicable.

jayrebb said:

Wrong. You were the strawman constructor who went in from multiple angles with multiple citations about irrelevant details from the Middle Ages for about 2 pages, and then you started narrowing it down to my initial topic which was delayed vaccine schedule and studying its viability.

You went psycho, period. Its not something to admire and the fact guys like WizFyre VaccineBrain are confused about it speaks to the current state of the forum. You chain posted repeatedly without any prompt as if there was someone to attack. Thats fucking insanity. You're a pro-vaxx madman who wasn't able to have a rational discourse because you blacked out and lost your mind. See: InfoWars reference and general anti-vax characterizations and claims you made against me, completely without merit.

It was complete and utter fucking chaotic nonsense I am actually appalled that you even think this was somehow acceptable because of some "peanut gallery" strawman you had constructed in your own mind.

The discussion eventually retracked with Hep B at 0 hour, but not before 3 pages of pro-vaxx weirdness occured.

Vaccines are still produced in a largely profit-driven manner, with a profit-motive behind their production values. Vaccine safety is evaluated under the greater-good clause which is equally as problematic. You win on spamming, for now, but you lose on ideology.

You are a fascist robo-fact formatting sociopath without any regard for forum decorum or decency. Fuck you and fuck WizBumFire.

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Blah blah blah facts a fascism how unfair that I cited overwhelming numbers of facts because you aren't capable of mustering even one fact to defend your position blah blah blah

Cry some more buddy.

The phrase you're looking for here, by the way, is gish gallop.

I gish galloped your ass.

Neuromancer said:

hodj isn't even wrong about wanting babies vaccinated at birth + 0 hours. I just disagree with it and feel that parents that are properly informed should get some say without being ostracized.

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Sure. I'm okay with all but the idea that they can refuse the immunizations. I don't want them ostracized, obviously.

They can ask for resources and education, but that fucking kid is getting that goddamn immunization.