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Star Wars Battlefront II
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Shmoopy
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Nightmare
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I'm pretty sure EA shareholders don't give a shit about some downvoted comment on reddit. they'll just say it's bots doing it anyways.. Shit, it probably is bots. The fact is that they make way more money from MTX than the actual game and those transactions are drivin by a small portion of the community. I doubt the lions share of people that spend extra money on games like this even view reddit. On top of this the gameplay is amazing AND it's Star Wars. They're going to make a fucking killing no matter what they do.
Utnayan
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The game play in my opinion was mediocre, and that's a point echo'd throughout a lot of the area. Pretty game - mediocre game play - shit business model. I am hoping people start cancelling their orders in mass or don't buy it. Either way, it will still sell when the price gets jacked down to $34.99 when the movie launches.
xzi
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Pay 60$ and then buy our day 1 DLC for another 24$ so you can be on an even playing field
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Ladro
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I want to see the October NPD numbers for these games. That will show where it's at, but my gut tells me they sold well and we're all fucked.
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These companies will take some light hits from stuff like this, because let's face it there's never been more insanely good games on the market to chose from, but the fact that these loot boxes take advantage of human psychology to earn money means it won't ever be a net loss until actual gambling laws and regulations get updated for the 21st century.
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spronk
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COD WW2 sold over $500m in the first 24 hours, doubling last years Infinite Warfare. In 24 hours in USA COD WW2 made more than Wonder Woman and GOTG2 did, combined, in their entire run.
New Call of Duty Game Sales Double Last Year's Version
EA REALLY wants to steal that #1 crown this year from Activision which will have COD and Destiny 2 up there, be really interesting to see Oct NPD to see if they can pull it off. COD and D2 both have deep discounts ($35) on black friday as well, while BF2 will have no discounts. The PS4 1TB $199 bundle on BF is COD WW2, whereas BF2 is on the MSRP no discounts $449 PS4 Pro bundle.
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Nightmare
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Playing in DX12 with a decent rig everything felt excellent to me. The gun play, while simple felt tight and smooth in all situations. The previous battlefront had some slog to it in the beta but I never played that one after release. The hero play was super crisp, even while vaulting around as Yoda all over random junk with tons of players around. I'm actually surprised I didn't get stuck in anything or pushed under the map. I did see that at least one person reported that. Everything felt fairly balanced from my perspective.
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I get people being upset and the outrage, but at the end of the day I don't care. If I'm playing a game, and enjoying it, what people say about said game doesn't really concern me.
If my only knowledge of BF2 was "evil lootboxes" "micro transactions" , etc. maybe I'd be upset, but I actually used up my 10 hour trial and still wanted more.
I can respect anyone's decision not to buy it because of the issues they see with it, but for me it's a fun game and I'll play the shit out of it. If this is the version that goes live on the 17th I'm ok with that, if they change it, even better.
If my only knowledge of BF2 was "evil lootboxes" "micro transactions" , etc. maybe I'd be upset, but I actually used up my 10 hour trial and still wanted more.
I can respect anyone's decision not to buy it because of the issues they see with it, but for me it's a fun game and I'll play the shit out of it. If this is the version that goes live on the 17th I'm ok with that, if they change it, even better.
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Ladro
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This, unfortunately, highlights the main problem. You don't care if it's wrong. At some point, ethics and morality have to win out but if you fundamentally don't give a shit then we are going to see more and more and more of this type of monetization. Where does it end? What's the line for you?
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ronne
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Rafterman
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The line for me is when it impedes the enjoyment of a game. Like I said, I've already played it for 10 hours and at no point did loot boxes interfere with the game.
Prople bought Dragon Age and at one point a quest NPC literally tells you, in the middle of the game, that you can't do the quest until you buy the content. CoD literally has loot boxes drop from the sky and has an achievement for watching other people's loot drops. I could go on and on about games where micro-transactions are far more intrusive that BF2 and yet get 1% of the outrage. Did you buy Dragon Age? Did you buy CoD, or Battlefield, or Shadow of War, or a thousand other games that have in-game purchases? People have a funny way of picking and choosing when they wanna be outraged about this stuff.
I'll also add that a large portion of the outrage against this game has been manufactured by false or misleading information. If the shit is so bad to be a problem, then why are people going out of their way to make it look worse than it really is?
Things like all the characters are locked, you can't play 4v4 without buying characters, it takes 40 hours to unlock a character, every character is 60k credits, characters/ships are behind paywalls, etc. It's all factually wrong. And instead of arguing what's a fact, like character prices are too high, loot boxes suck, they spew all this other bullshit and I immediately tune them out.
People wanted progression in the game, they got progression, but it's not instant so now they're pissed off.
BF 2 has more content than the first game, even without unlocking a thing, and I never have to spend another dime on it. Doesn't seem like a problem to me, or at least not one I care about.
Such melodrama. Games have been "dying" for the last 20 years according to the internet drama. Worst cancer ever!
And where the fuck was all this solidarity when I was yelling at the top of my lungs about god damn horse armor? You think someone who never bought a single fucking one of these things until they got so pervasive that you can't miss them is the problem?..lol.
I'm not the problem, I'm the resigned asshole that has finally realized that gamers suck, and are some of the worst consumers on the planet, nothing will change for the better, so I'll just enjoy my games and not get worked up over things that don't effect that enjoyment and won't change anyway.
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Utnayan
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For me, it's when a game's actual development is veered to impede length of time in the hopes a gamer just gets frustrated not having something and buys it. In this game, the reports are 40 hours to get a single hero to play. That is way out of whack. I think progression is fantastic - and earning things in game - but not to the point where they throw an ungodly amount of time sink to do it with the hopes people will just spend money. That's broken design (And not that much fun unless you plan on playing the multiplayer here for 5,000 hours.) I mean 40 hours is pretty much the standard length of an RPG and in this case, you only get one Hero. (Random pulls and all that)
But, for all these games, CoD WW2, BF2, SoW, and even down to Assassin's Creed Origins, I'll just rent them from game fly and the publisher doesn't see a dime. I'll just alter my purchasing habits - which is fine anyway because my backlog is ridiculous and one of these days I just need to put a full stop to everything and play what I have. For every game I finish, I have another 5 added in by the time I finish it. Ha.
The really bad part here is EA sent reviewers actual different online code so they won't be able to review the actual mechanics with the cash shop. They have items for 70-80% less cost than what is in the 10 hour trial as it stands on live. That's some outright shady shit right there, and a blatant slap in the face and needs to be called out.
But, for all these games, CoD WW2, BF2, SoW, and even down to Assassin's Creed Origins, I'll just rent them from game fly and the publisher doesn't see a dime. I'll just alter my purchasing habits - which is fine anyway because my backlog is ridiculous and one of these days I just need to put a full stop to everything and play what I have. For every game I finish, I have another 5 added in by the time I finish it. Ha.
The really bad part here is EA sent reviewers actual different online code so they won't be able to review the actual mechanics with the cash shop. They have items for 70-80% less cost than what is in the 10 hour trial as it stands on live. That's some outright shady shit right there, and a blatant slap in the face and needs to be called out.
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