Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

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You try syncing a Russian cam with your xdcc audio.

Disney didn't get a dime. I contend people like you are an even bigger part of the problem-- as a part of those people in that 1.2 billion dollars for anything with Star Wars stamped on it. Zinggg!
 
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I contend people like you are an even bigger part of the problem-- as a part of those people in that 1.2 billion. Zinggg!
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jayrebb said:
Second watch one thing that stood out is the humor. No, not the jokes...

The tone. The tone was camp humor. The first 25 minutes were Spaceballs. After this first 30 minutes or so, you go back to TFA tone and humor again and it stops irking the hell out of you.
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Everything with Hux was awful. He's the general of a million many army of space nazis and they make him a fucking twat.
 
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jayrebb said:
Second watch one thing that stood out is the humor. No, not the jokes...

The tone. The tone was camp humor. The first 25 minutes were Spaceballs. After this first 30 minutes or so, you go back to TFA tone and humor again and it stops irking the hell out of you.

It seems that the jokes aren't really the beef of the humor problem. I really wish it was just jokes, but this went way beyond jokes. It's the whole vibe in those first 20-25 minutes. This movie will not age well as a result I predict. Spaceballs is spaceballs. It came off as very disrespectful. I'm guessing Rian Johnson had a lot to do with directing that first 25 minutes, because the post 25 minute movie has none of that going on. This makes Rian a little asshat heathen in my book.
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Yea remember it starts off with a long drawn out phone gag, and then a your muther
 
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Yea remember it starts off with a long drawn out phone gag, and then a your muther
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And with that in mind, we can now posit that the Lord and Miller firing had nothing to do with humor or a circus-like atmosphere, but rather, the fact they were not allowed to participate in the casting call process and that the Francis Ford Coppola buddy actor they "hired" was completely incapable of anything except a classical dramatic performance. Lord and Miller tried to go for more of a Last Jedi vibe, and the Francis Coppola dude just couldn't hack it when it came to comedy. So in that sense, we should credit Finn's performance in Last Jedi-- because he was able to hack it at comedy, and it was a decent performance.

This would jive with Lord and Miller bringing in an acting coach, complaining about the lack of performance from Coppola buddy, and so forth.

So TLJ wasn't a complete loss, it at least filled in some blanks for me.
 
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I avoided Facebook and forum comments before going in. I did see a primer on the new walkers and destroyers.

I was underwhelmed.
I watched Rogue One on Netflix before going in and the styles are quite different.

In short, comic relief was overdone and numerous moments (dialogue specifically) felt as if from a different non-Star Wars movie.
Cheesy moments spanked of prequels - makes George Lucas' approval ironic (I hear he didn't care for the other two)
 
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Anything with an alien was very prequelish. It wasn't just the space walrus teats.

I'll rewatch it at some point, but I've gotten angrier with time. I came out of the movie thinking it was fine but nothing special, but the more I talk to other people the more annoyed I get. Rian Johnson *intentionally* took all of the mysteries and setups from TFA and shit on them. He had to subvert every possible expectation, and it's just not any fun. It's Star Wars via M Night Shyamalan.
 
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Weekend box office drop pointing towards 65% which is pretty significant and far worse than TFA or RO, even factoring in Xmas Eve. Maybe word of mouth from fans who disliked it is not just a vocal minority.
 
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Proving that a hyperspace collision is talked about in Rebels does not remove the bad logic and bad story choice of a collision in The Last Jedi.
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No one has said that. That was just a discussion about one of the particulars of how hyperspace travel in the setting has been portrayed as working before now. It's not a statement either pro or con what was shown in this movie.

Some of you really need to let go of the notion than any post that isn't made in lock step with your derision of the movie is automatically a defense of it.

I happen to agree that it opens up a can of worms. But it doesn't fatally break the mechanic going forward. The question of why no one has thought of doing it before now is the real problem. So much so that I'm surprised that the Story Group didn't veto the scene. Managing this sort of continuity is why they exist and it gives them a mess that they can't really clean up.
 
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Writing all of these movies independently is a huge mistake. They should know by now where the story is going and it's now very clear that they don't. JJ set up a bunch of dominoes to knock down in TFA, and Johnson decided to ignore it all.
 
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jayrebb said:
And with that in mind, we can now posit that the Lord and Miller firing had nothing to do with humor or a circus-like atmosphere, but rather, the fact they were not allowed to participate in the casting call process and that the Francis Ford Coppola buddy actor they "hired" was completely incapable of anything except a classical dramatic performance.
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I've said all along that I thought the stuff about them making Ace Ventura in space was bullshit. That was just spin control coming out of Lucasfilm. The real reason they were cut loose was revealed when it came out later that they weren't shooting the number of setups per day that Kasdan and Kennedy were demanding. They were essentially doing an end around by limiting the amount of additional footage that would be available should they get the Gareth Edwards treatment and have the final edit taken away from them and given to someone else. The fact that a lot of the shots they were turning in were off script and more improvisational would end up really tying Kasdan's hands as far as getting his, and his son's, writing up on screen in the finished product.

I think the acting coach for Ehrenreich was supposedly in relation to their improvised approach as well. Maybe he's not that good at coming up with his own material on the fly.
 
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I actively started to hate the movie around the casino planet shit. What sealed it was Finn and Rose saying it was "all worth it" when they set the horse things free. What the fuck? You failed in your mission and for all you two know, the entirety of the rebellion will now be eradicated, but its fucking worth it because you freed some horses for a bit until they are recaptured in an hour or two and the casino shuts down for a week while they rebuild the superficial damage that was caused.

What a dumb fucking movie.
 
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People are really reaching hoping that what they have seen is not the reality. I hate to them but theories such as the one below is far more thought than the directors have put into the connecting pieces of the movie. Maybe JJ will take advantage of just how open the movie was left...

 
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This came up in a discussion with a buddy of mine about what was really irking me about this movie. It's that it kinda wants to be Star Trek.

Hear me out here...

Star Trek, at it's core, has always been about presenting modern moral and philosophical dilemmas with a Sci-Fi veneer on them to obfuscate the direct references and try to get the viewer to consider it from a different viewpoint, and it's brilliant at this. It's got a setting and character purpose built for this kind of storytelling. TOS Klingons were the Russians, Romulans were the Chinese, and Vulcans were the Japanese, men with black and white faces to show up an outsiders way to look at racism..

Star Wars, at it's core, has always been a hero's journey style space opera on a mythological level of storytelling. It's about those stories as old as time style storylines, but woven into a Sci-Fi setting. This was all the original trilogy was about, the prequels even tried to go there but had issues for various reasons. Episode VII hit on those notes and got called derivative for it.

Then Episode VIII comes and goes after all the "we're going to show the strong woman" bits.. with the "We're going to show our icons as vulnerable and flawed" parts, and the "Screw the old ways, LOVE WINS" stuff is trying DESPERATELY to essentially be Star Trek. As said above, they played to a very different audience. And with a very different type of story. Problem is, we already have a Star Trek, and it's good at being what it is.
 
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Weekend box office drop pointing towards 65% which is pretty significant and far worse than TFA or RO, even factoring in Xmas Eve. Maybe word of mouth from fans who disliked it is not just a vocal minority.
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A 60% drop would be right in line with R1 which had Christmas Eve, historically one of the worst movie attendance days of the year, land right in the middle of that weekend. But it also included Christmas Day, one of the stronger attendance dates, to then offset that. That's not the case this year. It's also worth noting that the box office tracking predictions you see out there for this weekend aren't sourced from the same group that all of the entertainment media cites figures from for the rest of the year. comScore doesn't even put Christmas week figures out in advance because historically the figures for that week are so uneven, specifically the lead up/final shopping days for the holiday itself. These figures you're seeing are being tabulated by the individual publications themselves.

But to an extent none of that matters. The dissatisfied fans may be a minority but there are enough of them, and Star Wars fans in general, to make all of those "The Last Jedi is dying at the box office" stories very attractive headlines for websites to run stories on. Lucasfilm's problem then starts to look an awful lot like WB's with it's DC movies. A narrative of failure starts to take hold and the casual movie goers start to assume the movie is bad based purely on the number of headlines they're seeing indicating that it even might be, regardless of what the majority of people who have seen it think of it.
 
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Not really. You can always introduce a new technology as a countermeasure the way they introduced hyperspeed tracking in this one. And they already have one in-universe they've just never shown them in the movies; the Interdictor class of starships equipped with gravity wells that pull ships out of hyperspace.
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Yes I believe whether the ship is in hyperspace or not, I believe its a complete block whenever an interdictor is present. So it can prevent hyperspace functions.

We saw a dreadnaught (albeit it was disrespected by Rian), but that makes me think the writers will also introduce interdictors at some point.

Maybe we'll even see them in the Han movie since thats a smuggler movie. Makes all kinds of sense.
 
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It would be great if they recast Princess Leia in Episode 9 as a tranny
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Holdo is as close as we are going to get to LGBTQ in the Star Wars universe I feel. You can always pretend she's packing if that's your thing! It totally works with the doppleganger thing she's got going on.


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Admiral FOH Holdo??

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