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Lenas

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I'm not sure how I could have made it clearer to be honest.
Then you have communication issues.

It's never worth powering up a pokemon with shit IVs.
There's very little difference in actual combat ability with IVs

The logical conclusion to your second statement is that you can power up any Pokemon you want because IV won't make a noticeable impact regardless.

Obviously not what you meant but that's the interpretation.
 
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From that first link:

Evolving Low IV Pokémon.
A higher level Pokémon with poor IVs will often deal more damage than a lower level Pokémon (of the same species) with high IVs. While it won’t have as much potential as the one with higher IVs, sometimes it’s worth investing candy into evolving a top tier attacker that only has average IVs, if you’ve caught it at a level that you would be unlikely to ever power one up to. For example, if you caught a level 35 Larvitar with 33% IVs, and then hatched a level 20 Larvitar with 96% IVs, you may be better off evolving the level 35 one as it would cost you 137,000 stardust and an extra 130 candy to Power the level 20 one up to the same level but only gain a marginal difference in CP.
 

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Powering up and Evolving are two different things, so I think I understand the confusion now.

Is it worth powering up a Pokemon with lower IVs but a higher starting CP, to save candy/stardust? How much do IVs really matter?

You asked specifically about powering up, not evolving. Therefore I offered the advice, and followed up with a reason why'd you ignore low IVs AND the extreme 100% IV case. Because the ultimate goal here is to provide you with information to help you get to a decent stable of attackers (or defenders) faster without wasting as many resources (candy/dust).

It's never worth powering up a pokemon with shit IVs.

So as a general rule of thumb, any combat pokemon should at least be 80% (Mystic - Wonder / Exceeds) to be powered up -- there's no point in holding out for that 98-100% combat pokemon.

Those two statements seem contradictory to me. If there's very little difference then, to me at least, I'd rather conserve my stardust.

Again, you've used Stardust savings as the example which means you're talking about powering up pokemon ... which you follow up with a link from information I have provided that seems to contradict my earlier advice....

Evolving Low IV Pokémon.

... which is all about Evolving pokemon -- not powering them up.

Now... there IS a case to be made for Evolving a lower IV pokemon if it's of a high enough level (CP), this works really well for defending pokemon, but it's not so great for combat attackers. Re: Blissey and Slaking.... but they managed to fuck over high CP pokemon in gyms so they decay faster if they are over 3k... and I think they actually lowered that even further, but I've never looked into it further.

When I started playing this game I was using my girlfriends account, and we both made plenty of mistakes when we started. I made my account almost 6 months later and didn't spend any stardust or candy on that account until I hit around level 25, and the ONLY thing I spent stardust and candy on was a Jolteon and a Vaporeon (about 84% for each) with double STAB moves, as I needed at least 2 decent flexible attackers to take down Gyms. As a result, when I finally hit level 30 and wild pokemon were capped at level 30 I begun working on improving the large stable of decent (read: good, not perfect) IV attackers and defenders of various levels (CP), removing lower IVs and culling the lowest CP/Movesets. At the time, they still had the old gym system which favoured higher CP pokemon to stay in Gyms, so that was a factor which is no longer relevant. Under the old system, Evolving a high CP (level) Chansy was a given, because the evolved Blissey was going to be gigantic, regardless of it's IVs as a defender.

When the raid scene dropped I had to start evolving top tier attackers to put in a decent showing at raids. I focused heavily on raiding Machamps, which I never bothered to power up until I had 6 machamps with over 80% IV with the good movesets (Counter/Dynamic Punch/Close Combat) and then focused on Tyranitar. So when Mewtwo finally dropped for my town, I had a stable of 6 Tyranitar all over 84% which I then fucked around with until I had 3 with Dark/Dark, and 3 with Dark/Stone using TMs.

Without knowing your trainer level, your common spawns in your town, your access to raids and so on, the best advice about powering up pokemon remains the same. Don't waste resources on non-combat pokemon, shit, don't even bother with powering up defending pokemon -- just focus on attackers -- with a focus of pokemon over that 84% (wonder/exceeds) IV barrier.

It's fine to evolve low CP / IV pokemon that AREN'T attackers or defenders for Pokedex completion though!

I'm only trying to give you the benefit of my experience back when I thought it was a good idea to power up things like Cloyster to deal with the massive number of Dragonite spoofers in my town. Oh.. the stardust and candy I have wasted....

This coming community day should be awesome, although because we'll only be catching Larvitar, unless it's a shiny or a 90+ it won't escape my transfer button.
 
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pharmakos

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Without knowing your trainer level, your common spawns in your town, your access to raids and so on, the best advice about powering up pokemon remains the same. Don't waste resources on non-combat pokemon, shit, don't even bother with powering up defending pokemon -- just focus on attackers -- with a focus of pokemon over that 84% (wonder/exceeds) IV barrier.

It's fine to evolve low CP / IV pokemon that AREN'T attackers or defenders for Pokedex completion though!

I'm only trying to give you the benefit of my experience back when I thought it was a good idea to power up things like Cloyster to deal with the massive number of Dragonite spoofers in my town. Oh.. the stardust and candy I have wasted....

Yeah I never made any of those mistakes. I have been playing on and off since day one, am level 28.
 

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I've only powered up good attackers, as far as species/moveset (always paid attention to moveset despite ignoring IV)

Those Tauroses weren't powered up at all, I caught them that way.

Almost all of those Pokemon (again, other than the Tauroses) have perfect movesets. I left some variety in one Snorlax (Earthquake instead of Hyper Beam).

I didn't have the patience to save up candy/stardust til level 25, tho. I got involved in gyms immediately so I could start getting free coins. Maybe that's where our difference in perspective comes from.
 

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Not sure where you got the idea I didn't do Gyms was, in fact I'm pretty sure I covered that...

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Slaking has never been powered up. Obviously Mewtwo has been. Snorlax 82 was a hatch and was powered up. Snorlax gym was a wild catch that's never been powered up.
 

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Not sure where you got the idea I didn't do Gyms was, in fact I'm pretty sure I covered that...


I never said you don't do gyms now, but you obviously didn't before level 25 since you said you saved literally all stardust and candy til then. I didn't, I got involved with gyms asap.
 
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Yep, I fucked up. I said I didn't spend any until 25 and only on vap/jolt. Should have said "spent no candy/dust outside of the jolt/vap that I used to wreck gyms" to be clearer. I think that Vaporeon is about 2700cp these days, he hardly gets used anymore since the changes to STAB. It was my girlfriends account that had spent dust/candy on dumb shit like Cloyster because we didn't know any better.
 
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pharmakos

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spent dust/candy on dumb shit like Cloyster because we didn't know any better.

Yeah I never made any of those mistakes. Usually been pretty mindful of Pokemon strengths in all regards other than IVs. It's been working for me. maybe in the long run I would have been a bit better off your way, but it's worked so far.

Might make a difference that I'm in a rural area with pretty cruddy Pokemon. Finally a decent number of stops/gyms after the last revision, tho.
 

Lenas

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Funny to see how different people's top attackers are... Guess what kind of biome I live in? Not in view: 5 more Golem.

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One thing everyone can waste dust on without regret: Mew. Never gonna get another, might as well max it out.
 
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Green Kabutops is going to be dope, too bad I already wasted all my candy on the Adventure Week evolve quest.

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