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The Predator (2018)
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Chukzombi
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might have been the plan the whole time. horrible movie, lets try to spin some buzz around it. cast wants no part. Munn raises her hand, "i have an idea"
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She probably burned quite a few Hollywood bridges by speaking out, and all over a bit part in a piece of shit movie that will be forgotten long before her actions.
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its not a SJW movie or an agenda driven movie ala Ghostbusters at all, other than its desire to make autism a super power (which is more funny than anything). Its just not good.
Olivia Munn is in the movie a little too much but she's not terrible, she just seems super bored the entire time and is not a great actress. If anything hopefully this kills her career, between calling out every guy on the set for not treating her like a diva and telling every newspaper that she heroically got a pedo cut from the movie I can't imagine too many people in Hollywood ever wanting to hire her again, beyond the usual blue hair crowd.
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did not read this as i have not seen the movie yet
The Predator Reshoots Explained: Every Cut And Change Fox Made To Shane Black's Movie
The Predator's reshoots completely changed the movie, with Fox totally rewriting Shane Black's original plan for the film. Characters were removed entirely, others had their personalities and deaths completely altered, multiple Predator variants and hybrids were cut, and a whole new ending was introduced.
The Predator Reshoots Explained: Every Cut And Change Fox Made To Shane Black's Movie
The Predator's reshoots completely changed the movie, with Fox totally rewriting Shane Black's original plan for the film. Characters were removed entirely, others had their personalities and deaths completely altered, multiple Predator variants and hybrids were cut, and a whole new ending was introduced.
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I hope it's the truth and that Black didn't totally lose his mind. Still, three weeks of reshoots can only change so much.
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The current state of this movie is shit.
They should have just let the movie go. Predators at Area 51 and being our bros sounds good. Plus Dutch coming in at the end would be cool.
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dutch not being in the film had nothing to do with reshoots or "artistic choice." arnold has been asked to be in ALL of the predator movies but he keeps turning them down because he wants to be the main character.
it also seems like that review isn't "damage control" as they seem to give good reasons for why reshoots happened in the first place. the argument that's made leaned more on taking the needed time for reshoots as opposed to last minute changes. if you're going to do reshoots to make the film better or more commercially viable, then actually take the time to do reshoots and proper editing. otherwise don't hamstring a movie that already needs a handicap.
it also seems like that review isn't "damage control" as they seem to give good reasons for why reshoots happened in the first place. the argument that's made leaned more on taking the needed time for reshoots as opposed to last minute changes. if you're going to do reshoots to make the film better or more commercially viable, then actually take the time to do reshoots and proper editing. otherwise don't hamstring a movie that already needs a handicap.
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Those original plans dont sound like they would have made it much better, but definitely not made it worse. It especially sounds like it would have made it so every time Sterling K Brown's spoke, I didnt have to ask my self "how does he know that?" or "why does he keep referencing halloween or yesterday like we arent on the same god damn day?".
Plus as ridiculous as a bunch of failed weirdo hybrid predators sound, that could have been really cool to see.
and finally
Plus as ridiculous as a bunch of failed weirdo hybrid predators sound, that could have been really cool to see.
and finally
At the very end, when they were in the obviously reshot ending scene, and got the Predator Killer, I was really hoping it was just gonna be a Xenomorph, or eggs or face huggers and it turned out Bro Predator was really the bad guy all along and it was time for another terrible AvP. But instead we got bad CGI Ironpredator.
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You have to go back and think about what made the original Predator work so well. It was about a bunch of big dick badasses who all thought they were the toughest motherfuckers on the planet suddenly coming face to face with the reality that there are things scarier than them in the world. It also ties into our deep fears of attacks from the unknown (Jungle) in ways we can't see, and in some ways a reaction to how the country grappled with Vietnam. There was almost no explanation of what the Predator was or its motivations.
You can totally see Shane Black trying to deconstruct that and do the exact opposite in many ways for this movie, instead of a group of badasses its a bunch of misfits, a kid, and a lady scientist. Instead of the predator being invisible most of the time its just hanging around and talking more than some of the characters. You get insanely convoluted ideas on why Predators are doing what they are doing and what their future holds. Unfortunately he never stopped to think "... will this be an actual interesting setup?", thats sort of why I made The Last Jedi comparisons in my first post -- it tries too hard to defy audience expectations and throw in twists to go against what you expect from Predator movies, but just like Star Wars is an extremely narrow scope Predator is also extremely narrow if you want to make a good movie.
Predator comes to Earth at some time period, decides to fuck some people up for sport, and gets his shit pushed in by a badass. Thats it. Thats every Predator movie, and the minute you try to go outside that scope you are likely going to fail. I'm sure there are some comic book stories that are expanded and better but any sort of reboot should have started with the basic idea and then used a sequel to go bigger.
You can totally see Shane Black trying to deconstruct that and do the exact opposite in many ways for this movie, instead of a group of badasses its a bunch of misfits, a kid, and a lady scientist. Instead of the predator being invisible most of the time its just hanging around and talking more than some of the characters. You get insanely convoluted ideas on why Predators are doing what they are doing and what their future holds. Unfortunately he never stopped to think "... will this be an actual interesting setup?", thats sort of why I made The Last Jedi comparisons in my first post -- it tries too hard to defy audience expectations and throw in twists to go against what you expect from Predator movies, but just like Star Wars is an extremely narrow scope Predator is also extremely narrow if you want to make a good movie.
Predator comes to Earth at some time period, decides to fuck some people up for sport, and gets his shit pushed in by a badass. Thats it. Thats every Predator movie, and the minute you try to go outside that scope you are likely going to fail. I'm sure there are some comic book stories that are expanded and better but any sort of reboot should have started with the basic idea and then used a sequel to go bigger.
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Just saw this with my buddy, hadn't read any reviews, don't regret it at all because we laughed the entire way through.
We groaned in synch at least 15 times and my eye muscles are tired from the repeated eye rolling.
I don't regret going.
We groaned in synch at least 15 times and my eye muscles are tired from the repeated eye rolling.
I don't regret going.
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Chukzombi
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yep, when Predator came out and me and my friends were talking about it, what we talked about most was arnold getting completely clowned in toe to toe hand combat. at that time Arnold was in his absolute prime. watching him get the shit beat out of him was huge. then you have jesse "the body" totally blindsided. then you get the minigun which at the time was the BFG all gun enthusiasts drooled over. and all it did was nick him. all these guys failed, whether it was individually or when they all worked together as a team. it made no difference. Arnold survived from dumb luck with the mud, then he lucked out at the end when all his intended traps failed to fool the Predator, but he Hail Mary'd that log drop. Predator 2 is still a good movie because they followed that theme. a top cop squad and all the gangsters in 1996 LA were toys to that Predator, even the fucking government spooks failed. hell, even Danny Glover should have died too, but he got a bunch of gimmes and thats how he won.
i said this was damage control even if the reshoots were needed, because now they can just say, "sorry guys, my original movie would have been awesome, but the studio heads tinkered with my " vision (TM)" and so now it sucks because of that. maybe i will release my director's cut on blue ray so please buy that and help stop the bleeding? pretty please?"
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It dawned on me that the usual suspects are going to blame the bad gross on #metoo and not the fact that it's a terrible movie.
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Should have got a movie of a Predator in Japan going to retrieve looted Predator gear given to the Yutani corporation and then killing hunting down and killing everyone that tried to study it.
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