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Araysar said:

can anyone tell me whats happening with the Packers this season? ive been out of the loop for like 2-3 seasons

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4-0-1 at home, 0-5 on the road. Seems like any time Rodgers actually gets to try to make a last minute drive, he'll pull out the win. But anytime his teammates fumble shit away or his coach decides to punt on 4th and 2 with only 1 timeout left and 4 minutes on the clock...

Araysar said:

so rodgers is still good but the rest of the team + coach is a burning dumpster fire? Doesnt sound good for a QB whos only a few years away from retirement.

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Well Rodgers has been lobbying for Aaron Jones to get more carries/touches instead of RB by committee all year. Last week he seemed to actually get that with 15 carries and 5 targets which turned into 145 rushing yards and 2 TD's, plus 3 catches for 27 more yards. Fast forward to tonight, he gets 11 carries and 5 catches for 103 total yards and 2 TD's, although almost all of that was in the 1st half. Barely saw the ball in the 2nd half it seemed, and they lose.

I think they've had some bad luck (the couple fumbles that ruined chances to win games against Rams and Pats, although the one against the Rams was just a stupid play by Montgomery), and McCarthy is still a bad fucking coach that fucks them over too much in certain situations.

Also, Crosby who normally is a good kicker, missed 5 kicks in Detroit (indoors) which resulted in a loss, and he missed a 47 yard field goal in the first half tonight in a game they ultimately lost by 3. He also missed a kick at very end of regulation in their tie against the Vikings.

Conclusion: Rodgers is still good to great, Aaron Jones should have been getting more touches for over 5 weeks at this point, but some other stuff has dragged down a team that probably should have 2-3 more wins.

Rodgers is good but last night, he was not. For every beautiful throw he had (the TD to Tonyan, the 57 yarder to Adams), there were numerous passes that he underthrew or just plain missed altogether. Hell, as good of a game as Adams had, he probably should've had another 60-70 receiving yards and a couple TDs had Rodgers been more accurate.

Maybe the leg injury is more bothersome than it appears (hard to believe on some of those scrambles) or maybe it's simply the byproduct of being a gunslinger?

Or maybe, much like Brady, Rodgers gets a little too much credit for being a top three QB. He was certainly anything but last night.

Vinjin said:

Rodgers is good but last night, he was not. For every beautiful throw he had (the TD to Tonyan, the 57 yarder to Adams), there were numerous passes that he underthrew or just plain missed altogether. Hell, as good of a game as Adams had, he probably should've had another 60-70 receiving yards and a couple TDs had Rodgers been more accurate.

Maybe the leg injury is more bothersome than it appears (hard to believe on some of those scrambles) or maybe it's simply the byproduct of being a gunslinger?

Or maybe, much like Brady, Rodgers gets a little too much credit for being a top three QB. He was certainly anything but last night.

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He missed some throws, but lets not pretend he didn't throw a couple of beautiful 40+ yard bombs to Adams, and the 50+ yard TD to Tonyan. 21/30 for 332 and 2 TD's with 0 picks (think Rodgers is on a career best streak for consecutive throws without a pick currently...which we know must be a crazy number with some of his other recorded streaks of no picks). If he missed stuff, it was minor only. He hit on so much as to make it not matter. That line was letting a lot get through again, as well.

jooka said:

Rodgers was definitely not the problem last night. I think we would all be talking about the Seahawks loss if McFatty goes for the 4th and 2. McFatty was shown how inept he is saying it was the right call, maybe if they had 3 timeouts instead of 1 you could argue it being correct.

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Yeah with 3 timeouts, I think it's fair to say punting is the right call there with that much time left...even considering how well Seattle had been running the ball against them. But with 1 that was asking for trouble. Hell if you don't make the 4th and 2 there, still a chance D holds them to a field goal and with that much time Rodgers still might have 2 minutes to drive for a GW TD.

Merrith said:

He missed some throws, but lets not pretend he didn't throw a couple of beautiful 40+ yard bombs to Adams, and the 50+ yard TD to Tonyan. 21/30 for 332 and 2 TD's with 0 picks (think Rodgers is on a career best streak for consecutive throws without a pick currently...which we know must be a crazy number with some of his other recorded streaks of no picks). If he missed stuff, it was minor only. He hit on so much as to make it not matter. That line was letting a lot get through again, as well.

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Did you even read my post? The first thing I said was acknowledging those nice throws. But you can't just gloss over missed opportunities because he once made a nice play back in the first quarter. Completely underthrowing a streaking receiver (I counted at least two of these), or skipping passes off the ground midway through the 4th quarter on a WR screen when first downs are critical, are hardly minor, especially in what turns out to be a 3 point loss.

The Packers are not good. And there's plenty of blame to go around that entire team for their losses. And that absolutely includes Rodgers.

He's definitely been off more than usual. Maybe he's losing something but I think his knee is clearly bothering him (funny how so many people thought he was milking it initially). Plus, outside of Adams, his receiving cast is very green or has never produced much. The timing and expectation probably isn't really there with them. They really need a new offensive mind in there, too.

Vinjin said:

Did you even read my post? The first thing I said was acknowledging those nice throws. But you can't just gloss over missed opportunities because he once made a nice play back in the first quarter. Completely underthrowing a streaking receiver (I counted at least two of these), or skipping passes off the ground midway through the 4th quarter on a WR screen when first downs are critical, are hardly minor, especially in what turns out to be a 3 point loss.

The Packers are not good. And there's plenty of blame to go around that entire team for their losses. And that absolutely includes Rodgers.

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I did, and it read like Davante Adams had all of 4 receptions of the game instead of the 10 catches on 12 targets for 160+ yards he did have. I agreed he missed a couple throws, but compared to the other problems the team has been having in these losses it's nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. At least one of those underthrows it clearly looked like it was intentional trying to hit the back shoulder throw because DB was in tight coverage with their back turned, receiver just didn't have the same idea.

Missing one or two throws here or there I'm not trying to make them out to be minor in a 3 point loss, but a missed sub 50 yard field goal is going to weigh far more heavily than that, as is McCarthy's decision to only get Jones 6 touches in the entire 2nd half (just hilarious). Their defense giving up 40+ yard PI's as well (80 yards in penalties total versus only 30 total for the Seahawks). He deserves his share of the blame for the season, I just think his share is extremely small, especially playing through an injury like he has been. Could see the look on his face when punt team was coming on he was having flashbacks to the Rams game like "if you take us off the field we're never getting the ball back".

Rodgers is allergic to checking down for easy 1st downs. Happened numerous times last night. It was also Rodgers that used those first two timeouts in the second half since he refuses to break a huddle with more than 10 seconds left on the clock or audible at the line when he doesn’t like the coverage.

He deserves a ton of blame for last night, but McCarthy is worse. Punting there is inexcusable. 11 touches for Jones is inexcusable.

Sebudai said:

Rodgers is allergic to checking down for easy 1st downs. Happened numerous times last night. It was also Rodgers that used those first two timeouts in the second half since he refuses to break a huddle with more than 10 seconds left on the clock or audible at the line when he doesn’t like the coverage.

He deserves a ton of blame for last night, but McCarthy is worse. Punting there is inexcusable. 11 touches for Jones is inexcusable.

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One of those timeouts was McCarthy not getting the next play in after big Adams throw downfield until there was less than 15 seconds on the play clock.

Fair enough.

And I totally agree with the lack of touches for Jones. Made no sense given the success they were having with him.

Vinjin said:

And I totally agree with the lack of touches for Jones. Made no sense given the success they were having with him.

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Not that there aren't other reasons, but this should be the main reason this year why McCarthy gets fired at the end of the season, if indeed he does.

So Rodgers wasn't perfect, but sill played like one of the best QBs in the game, therefore the loss is his fault.

"We played the numbers."

Dude's clinically retarded.

Sebudai said:

"We played the numbers."

Dude's clinically retarded.

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Profootballtalk said numbers show you have a 15% chance of winning when you punt there. Absolutely stupid to punt. Passing on 3rd and 2 when you should already know you need to go for it on 4th was also a terrible call.

Sebudai said:

"We played the numbers."

Dude's clinically retarded.

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The equivalent of Michael Scott driving his car into the lake.