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It absolutely is great for me - it sucks for people that wanted D3 for pvp, but that's their problem. D2 pvp was fine because there were no rules around it, the same type of pvp would be no problem for me in D3 either. But the company that made D2 has changed in the last decade and it's...

I'm putting money on their matches lasting 10-15 minutes. LoL matches while often shorter can last like 45 minutes. Even a blowout loss forces you to hang around for 20 minutes iirc? A match taking 12 minutes on average is a huge difference both in getting away from frothing, hateful tryhards if...

Lack of pvp is a good thing. They wouldnt/cant do any pvp without trying to balance it. The end result would be ongoing nerfs into arena blandness, so just leaving it out is one of their better decisions.

Well ok - but not counting as an MMO is not a bad thing. Just be ready to move Path of Exile here with their upcoming expansion though because of non-consentual pvp with invading other instances to drive your enemies before you and hear the lamentation of their women. So is the 'rpg' part. MO...

I'm confused - I think I'm in "that group" but EQN is also the game I'm looking forward to the most, right now.

Well that is easy to explain. You see, Richard Garriott designs games with such brilliance and excellence that he cant think of any other designer that deserves it. The man just is *that* awesome. Did you know he was in space?

Cross-reference that to Pantheon for giggles.

Can we move this to other games now? That said, I'm ok with this not being an MMO since the old rpgs werent either. That it wont be a new UO was established from the start since they always talked about single player, solo play or with friends only, etc. That's categorically different from...

That are all good suggestion for a fresh team that's up to date on their options. Brad&Co with their 90s approach would have failed at it even if someone had told them about, just like they failed to register on major forums for their kickstarter until told so, failed to get in touch with reddit...

Botting isnt going away so /shrug but that is one point that I didnt like about the way D3 was set up - the combination of easy selling and real money increased botting dramatically (I think, informed opinions may vary). The people that make a living out of botting would so anyway, but thinking...

I was commenting on Treesong there, regarding server structure.

Sounds like a variation of GW1 or the Marvel arpg to me.

Do I count for that? I'm thinking I just acknowledge the differences and bemoan that D3 is lacking longer term motivation for me (hoping that changes with endless paragon, new legendaries and randomized levels). Regarding the Marvel arpg, I tried that when it came out and really didnt like...

I didnt try to make the optimal build with the highest potential in D2 (or D3 - most of my playtime is with disintegrate wizard because I like the skill, which wasnt ideal in the back then rapey inferno). If you want that there's obviously the internet to answer that question, both for D2 and...

I prefer to give someone a chance I guess, which I did, and they embarassed themselves to incredible levels with that chance. So no money from me, they blew it. But pulling an Ut and calling failure before we knew everything like their awesome KS presentation or 24/7 community dialogue was...

For one, the levels at which you obtain the skills (depending on build more importantly the runes) is set in stone and extends across the entire level range in D3, while in D2 you could have your prefered spells while wrapping up normal mode. I'll buy it, and I'm not making it a pointless...

Is this for real? I have never been to their site but they cannot be serious about this any longer. Also, what makes them think that is any better?

The whole thing is too amateur for a scam of this magnitude would be my reason for it the honest attempt to make a game but being incredibly delusional about their chances at this point.

Masochist D2? What's AA demanding that was so bad, or are you just adressing his old man ranting in kind? For the record I did like that you basically wrapped up a build in the 80s in D2 but still had gains from the last, drawn out levels. Item-only progression is something I'm not too fond of...

When all is said and done a PLEX is only good for a month of sub/training, just like any other sub. They do have alot of boxers but that's all. I dont see that as a goldmine. If you could consume PLEX for other things besides activating a character for a month then yea, they'd make bank (but...

How's the air on Gogo's fansite by now?

If you want a binary answer then yea, Pantheon is vaporware at this point and wont see completion. It's a shame too, because I still want an immersive MMO that shuns the standards set during the last decade. I was giving Brad the benefit of doubt, but the last weeks made it pretty obvious has...

Havent had any issues like it there, so I guess it comes from the voxelization.

I'm pretty sure I said in both this and the Garriott thread that I wouldnt count them as MMOs and move them - but I'm not crusading for that because the line is pretty blurred in both cases, especially since neither have anything to back up their MMO or Not-MMO status, being pre-alpha and all...

Yea that's what I meant, thanks. That combined with build-influencing loot sounds good to me, I might give this a spin. Do they start a ladder season with the expansion or is that something for later when concurrent users drop again?

I think just how ridiculous the claim to backpay people for months of obviously not existing effort is has not been mentioned enough, but then again why bother since the KS is not going to get them any money.

I dont even... lets just say I disagree on that point.

Are the entirely random levely they talked about last year still in?

I guess I'm not as militant about it? I dunno, I would be more likely to play EQ'02 with modern graphics this summer then I am to buy either TESO or Wildstar. Etchazz does have a point here - this is about a game (well, vaporware now) and people can like the most ridiculous shit in that regard...

In D2 I enjoyed collecting stuff for specific builds, like runewords or specific uniques and to optimize you often used different items per build. In D3 I grew bored because even if I switched to entirely new builds, I wouldnt actually change gear at all, everything hinged in a few select...

VERY generally speaking, UO is EVE, EQ is WoW... I havent played DaoC but I think it's strength was a certain amount of faction/realm pride and identity that will fall apart when faced with the expectations of modern gamers, I'm expecting that game to stay niche or faceplant.

Agreed that TOR had some group content in all places... I think their major failure was having the dungeons all at the main hub instead of mixed into the natural flow on the appropriate planets. EQ had tons of solo content anyway, it's just conveniently ignored in these arguments because a...

I'll bite for this. I was in a raid guild, it was even the top guild on the server for a while. That said overall I'd say grouping was more fun then raiding, although I did like both parts of the game. I think EQ had some great mechanics that have been abandoned and I would like to experience...

Deathwing, honest question from someone that didnt like D3 too much after the honeymoon phase (but loved D2x), am I gonna like RoS changes? Havent kept up with it at all except I heard about the AH removal (no idea on other trade changes). My main beef was that good/best items for any build for...

That seems to be the case and unfortunately the people still willing to give him money are the ones most likely to overlook or ignore that detail. The thing is that setting those issues aside is a tall order.

More like he's acknowledging that people are wary about him being CEO, taking another meaningless job title to alleviate those fears and "searching" for a CEO while filling the position himself.

Well do you believe it was something he and the team had considered and specified, maybe as part of a general design doc for the project or something like that? And that Brad just didnt explain it correctly or mentioned it out of context? I dont think that's the case, not anymore. There has been...

Not to forget the huge amount of unfinished content. Everything surrounding the Shissar was decent at least. Everything on the grimling side an unfinished mess, and Katta/Seru somewhere inbetween. On the plus side, AA points were a great addition.

I really hope they explore other options. I havent played all those mobile money pits but putting that into an MMO sounds more interesting then yet another battleground-style experience. I'm hoping the EVE-like qualities we expected from SOE fan faire will finally surface.

That's all that needs to be said about why this thing is tumbling down, really.