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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Part of me wonders what would have happened if MJ had created Imperator and not been bought out by that destroyer of game companies, EA....Every time I want to curse at MJ for Warhammer, I just watch a Barnett video and realize greater powers than MJ fucked that game up. Third party licenses...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Who in the world said that? Most of us are mad because the Kickstarter should be Brad's forte. He should have had a polished page, great design doc, and mass mailings and a plan before he started. He obviously did not. Given Brad's strengths, this should have been a slam dunk. There isn't a...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Given his resume, he really shouldn't have to fund anything. Mcquaid has one killer game. Garriott's games encapsulate half my lifetime. You are wrong, however. He founded the company, hired the initial people, and did all the initial legwork regarding it before he went to Kickstarter. That...
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    Archeage

    Not really. I think EVE does this, and there have been Fantasy MMOs that tried to do this: a la Shadowbane and Darkfall. The problem is they lacked the technical competence to realize their design into a tech reality. MOBAs are an interesting thing. I believe there is an overlap capability...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I don't see that happening. What I do see is Garriot's already created Unity MMO world being leveraged by Mcquaid's team with some back and forth synergizing of designs and perhaps Garriot helping get a working early game out sooner, especially since these games go after very different core...
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    DAOC: Origins - New Server

    I may head to Uthgard on their reboot. Supposedly thats a better server/admin setup although I never played there.
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    I'm your Huckleberry. I'll take that bet. It'll crush that number. The Elder Scrolls name is worth 1.5M in sales. I think a lot depends on if they have a miracle patch up their sleeves.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    He didn't put 1.5M of his own cash into his own KS. That would be stupid as he'd lose a cut of his own cash. He used that to start his company himself and separate from KS, i.e., hire people and get the basic facts and website completed before asking people for money. In other words, he was...
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    You are missing the 800 pound gorilla: SWTOR was fun. The stories were fun. The classes, despite being weak, were fun. The game was fun. Companions were a hoot. It had a host of issues, but it sold well because generally people were enjoying the game. It continues to make money because there is...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Copying the EQ copied AD&D races and classes is a good idea. The design hints have been good, if super generic. I think the reveals are a bit silly. All of this should have been up on day 1. I'm still waiting for a Pantheon Official website to be put up with their team, goals, and more...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Right now all they are doing is copying Shroud of the Avatar's Kickstarter and editing it to fit EQ vs UO, and doing a ton of interviews. Granted, that's far better than their terrible day 1 Kickstarter that had... nothing. I'm sure they know how to design games. I'm sure they know how to...
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    Shroud Of The Avatar - Shit Went Persistent

    The price tiers segregate good value and people who want a game, versus power people with tons of extra cash <Hi, Siuneg> with serious rewards. I like the online and offline mode. The game design is a true successor for UO. I was more of an AD&Der growing up, but UO was amazing for the time I...
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    [NO Spoilers] Star Wars: Episode 7 - NO PUSSY SHIT

    Sort of like what was done with the prequels, where their target demographic age was 9? Young reader to me seems a cop out for writing crappy books. I guess if one is a bad writer, then getting a fancy Star Wars cover and selling 'young reader' crappy novels is about the best chance one has...
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    Shroud Of The Avatar - Shit Went Persistent

    $45 bucks gets you the game and alpha. Garriott did a very nice job with this game and Kickstarter. I noticed Brad is following RG on Twitter and probably copying some things which is wise. For a Kickstarter, this game has a very good team that I believe can deliver. Garriott also sunk more of...
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    ha... If they added co-op to Skyrim, multiplayer modding, and a persistent world, I'd pay for that...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I think a lot of the pro Pantheon people get the impression that some of us opposed to the Kickstarter are anti-Brad or anti-nextgen EQ. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'd happily eat crow if he could deliver a killer game under budget, on time, and lead a team to the promised land...
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    Stop tempting me, bastard. I just watched a stream of this, and it actually looks nothing like my play session before. Graphics get overhauled or something or did I have the settings screwed up?
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    So what you are saying is a they shouldnt actually produce anything with their own resources? Bullshit. You are excusing a piece of shit kickstarter with almost no information except a picture of Brad and a ton of generic MMO terms. This is an 'elite' group of game insiders, asking for $800,000...
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    Yeah, I really hated my one play session, but I have the same problem in that this looks old school and Elder Scrolls combined, two of my favorite things. I'm lucky in I've played enough Wildstar to really turn me off of that game, even though I find the game entertaining in small doses. I keep...
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    [NO Spoilers] Star Wars: Episode 7 - NO PUSSY SHIT

    Timothy Zahn's novels are by far the best ones and the top of my SW food reading pyramid. If you want to read EU. read the Thrawn Novels. The rest pretty much suck. The Darth Bane books were readable, but closer to fanfiction than actual professional writing, and they are probably the best of...
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    Just curious when was the last time you played, Spronk, since generally your opinion is more fair than others? I played last year and didn't like it, but my main gripe like you was the combat. According to the devs they've improved it a ton. I don't have a beta account and so my one four hour...
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    Archeage

    This board seems to be split evenly into those who prefer classic combat and those who want actiony more twitch stuff. I personally hate twitch and actiony. Wildstar is fun, but the combat is why I probably won't be playing it. Overall, the game sounds fantastic. Any guesstimate for release...
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    I was thinking the same thing. It doesn't help I was playing Skyrim last night.
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    SWTOR

    Yeah, I've been weighing the same thing. The Rise of the Hutt Cartel expansion is 10 bucks. A one months sub is 15 and you get the expansion free and the extra stuff. I've been playing other things, but I'll probably break down and pay for a month just to check it out, plus to get my two 50s...
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    TERA

    Just for giggles I might install this.. Found a youtube with directions: HOW TO DOWNLOAD / PLAY: Blade and Soul - YouTube
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    [NO Spoilers] Star Wars: Episode 7 - NO PUSSY SHIT

    That's surprising given how much CGI and over the top fight crap he used in the prequels. Lucas really should have had zero to do with the prequels outside of green lighting them. He probably should have even less involvement in video games. Hopefully ABC/Disney kicks him out of any...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    If you have to push your gender in a community of mostly guys, then you are attention whoring. The only ones who give a fuck are the ones who hate attention seeking types. A good chunk of us are old hardcore raiders who have vivid memories of having to deal with crappy female teammates of the...
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    Realm Ranks, Experience, Loot, and most importantly bragging rights on forums when you take down the other realms top gank group. I'm solely taking this from the fact their designers are from DAOC. Objectives were good, but the most fun I had was the group vs group fighting in the frontiers.
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    We don't know the mechanism for switching shards/megashard, and given the game is more about small groups, and not large zerg objectives a la GW2 I think their design will work. Probably far better than GW2 did. All of this is moot if combat still feels like a clunky piece of garbage. I...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Given that 99.8% of us are in the 'fuck no we aren't donating' category, then there's still time to try and sell us on the merits of this project. There are millions of old EQ players. If they can get 10 bucks from 1% of them, they fund. My guess right now is this will fail on the first go...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Thats great for a single player game, but the problem is after the initial wave you want your new players together, not spread out. Spread the races out in the one city, but fuck having 12 starting areas. once the game is more than three months old, it's bad design to have them all over. At...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Multiple starting cities are generally a waste of time and resources. Why not one big central hub city with the survivors of whatever huge event forced them to all live together to not die from the various Chaos Gods and other evil entities from the Wastelands? One big city that doubles as a...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Complete red herring. Vanguard didnd't succeed because the game was an unfinished piece of shit. If this doesn't fund, it's because the Kickstarter was likewise a complete piece of shit, with little invested into it by it's creators. The fact it's cleared 200k despite looking like an 8th grade...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Ah, apples and oranges. I think I read somewhere to this date Star Wars still hasn't turned a profit so that's more the business side. My point was more about the game itself and number of people playing it. Due to the release, bugs, performance, whatever, it never retained players. I've played...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Of course they were making more money. The game was far newer in 2009 and competition was less fierce so I imagine there were more desperate souls. I was one of them. The game was still dead. Granted my once a week session with my set group might have kept the huge masses of casuals the game...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Yes, let's sell X amount of boxes and less than 12 months later shut down the MMO. Check your common sense there, dude. I personally think Smed drained everything out of this and kept it as long as he personally felt obligated. You completely ignored the point of my post which was the churn...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Speaking of Bullshit, this post is it. It might have turned an initial small profit for Smed based on Brad's snow job selling it, but it's churn rate during it's sub time period was astronomical. Even being completely F2P, the servers remained completely barren. It doesn't take any stretch of...
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    I think Smed pretty much reaffirmed this with his AMA: 1) Are you planning on adding more family-friendly options? First there was Toontown Online, then there was Free Realms, and CWA. Is there another youth-oriented game planned? [-]j_smedley[S] 1) No. No more kids games. Kids don't...
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    Vanguard - I don't give a fuck if it's dead, It's still brown as fuck (Download link in 1st post)

    Maybe we'll get some info this afternoon: Sony Online Entertainment Shuts Down Four MMOs SOE president John Smedley will be participating in an "Ask Me Anything" on Reddit at 3PM Pacific. Players of the canceled titles are encourage to participate.
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    Camelot Unchained MMO

    The tiers look good. I haven't pledged, as I'm averse to giving rich guys money to get more rich, but I'm sorely tempted to make this my second KS after Star Citizen. The Pantheon weenies need to copy these tiers. They make sense and are well thought out.