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The real argument is that it doesn't matter if it's a choice. Even if it were just a choice, it would still be one people should be allowed to make because Jesus doesn't fucking exist.

Just stay here. There's nothing but shithead mods for you out there.

Not letting those sun-baked retards go was the worst mistake in American history.

The difference was they deserved it.

yumadtho?

It's even less admirable in their case since they're getting paid to face danger.

That was one of the most disappointing vice videos I've ever seen. I was waiting for the individual parts to hit youtube and then NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENED.

As retarded as hodj is, he doesn't hold a candle to the moderators around here. I post (only) here as a matter of principle.

1. The research seems to be that there are chemicals in (at least black) tea that neutralize ricin, but (explicitly) that a single cup of tea (really probably any amount of tea you could drink) could NOT be used to cure someone after ricin exposure. 2. I just like the poking the hornets' nests...

The thing you asked about is who pays for the subsidy that covers those young people (and everyone else) making the least amount of money. You can't ask who pays for the subsidy and then claim it's the people who receive it. That's idiotic.

It didn't seem like a joke. Would it be people I give a shit about making serious arguments or would it be retards like you?

Because I think someone like Tuco is actually doing his job. Seriously I hate that stupid cocksucker, but you're being so fucking stupid that I have to agree with him.

Drinking Tea to Combat Ricin, Anthrax and C. diff | Global Biodefense wat

You said some shit about deporting the darkies after those two assholes in Britain cut some soldier up with machetes and I decided to gtfo.

wat There is a moral obligation.

Why would I be butthurt? There's not much of a higher victory for me than you giving up. I accept your defeat.

I hate YOUR freedom, specifically.

Don't let these idiots trick you. It's not 40% across the board. That's the actuarial value which means it's based on guesswork about rates/costs of sickness (and of course not every "bronze" plan is equivalent). My guess is that common stuff will be out of pocket and big expenses will be...

Except in the meantime you get health insurance (rather than nothing). Yeah how could I possibly confuse your chicken-little unicorn-hugging bullshit for some kind of condemnation of the ACA? Actually, bro, the reason I left was that Beagle had trolled the shit out of me. But he's not retarded...

People's whose interests are less relevant than the interests of the poor.

They are after the tax-subsidy. Source? I'm claiming that it's better than the politically viable alternative (which is going back to when these people had no health insurance at all which, in the case you're talking about, is the most expensive option of all. The rock and hard place metaphor is...

I have to go to work now. I've literally wasted my whole morning arguing with an idiot.

You pay $0/month after the tax-subsidies.

lol Goddamnit. I'm ashamed of how much that made me laugh.

ON THE SILVER PLAN YOU FUCKING RETARD. Source? HOLY SHIT. SOMEONE GET CNN ON THE LINE. INSURANCE WITH CHEAPER PREMIUMS HAVE HIGHER COSTS WHEN YOU USE IT.

Which out-of-pocket expenses are we talking about now? Premiums?

"The benchmark is the second-lowest cost "silver" policy for 48 states, upon which federal subsidies are based." WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? FUCKING READ DIPSHIT.

Who paid nothing out of pocket for healthcare pre-Obamacare?

The irony of this argument being presented on a board full of MMO nerds is just astounding.

People on the bronze plan (in the income range you're concerned about) pay $0.

FOR WHOM, EXACTLY? And the moonlanding didn't happen and the holocaust was made up and blah blah blah. Your revisionism is boring. Yeah except you're not going to paying anything like the numbers you threw out. It's completely dishonest for you to use your family as an example WHEN YOU AREN'T.

Right and the CBO was wrong:Obamacare premium rates lower than expected - Sep. 25, 2013

This is the part that underlies the whole "pitchforks" argument and it's the part you don't actually have evidence for. I don't think any rational person contends that a system designed for 350 million people is going to perfectly cover every case, but the scale of the uncovered cases isn't...

I did refute it dipshit. Your whole argument ignored the fact that that website showed a family of four living on $35,000 a year not buying the cheapest insurance possible (AND that website's silly assumptions about the cost of insurance).

You literally said people would be getting out the pitchforks, dipshit.

Despite the fact that it's going to be the end of the world? Weird.

You retards are the reason we can't get single payer. There used to be this thing called the public option. Guess who proposed it and who killed it. Of course single payer would be infinitely better. That fact doesn't make your chicken little bullshit right either.

Yeah this is a much better approach than trying to show your work again by explaining the precise income levels that exist between medicaid eligibility and ability to pay for insurance (and then have the feds refund it to you). We all saw how that worked out last time...

Some of us are interested in disputing falsehoods.

Yeah how dare I strawman away your nebulous claims about the people who are going to fall through the cracks between medicaid and the federal subsidy. lol