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This is ridiculous. Once you've consented to penetration of a given hole in a given instance, you're equally responsible for whatever happens. You could never prosecute that guy, he has all the evidence in his favor. And on the reporting thing, I do not think that you should be able to...

In this particular example the Faith exactly mirrors the Roman Catholic Church.

I do not throw around the word misogyny like that, but there is some serious fucking mansplaining going on here.

Considering it's a completely different religion that she got married under, they're probably even less picky. If the Faith took control of the Iron Throne, Sansa's marriage legitimacy could technically be in the middle of a war between the Faith and the northmen sworn to old gods.

This is in no way analogous to an actual rape. I don't know what fucking planet you're from. Choosing to enter the establishment rather than reporting immediately effectively means you consented in this example. There wasn't a gate barring you from leaving, the clerk didn't make you ride...

Marriage was never consummated.

No, most media reported rape reports are fake, because the media goes after the sensational and not the mundane, and the sensational almost never turn out to be true.

Remember that even the Targaryean conquerors bowed to the Faith of the Seven.

It's actually a fucking abominable example because it implies the victim enjoyed the 'rides.' I seriously think I'm done if people can look at that example and not be appalled at it's absurdity.

My whole argument is that this 'backlash' is already happening and has always been happening. Again, the system (the whole thing, not just the legal system) is so hostile to actual legitimate rape victims that what you get is mostly fake victims.

That is ridiculous and has nothing to do with anything I've brought up.

Don't mock me. You know what I'm saying. If we don't keep talking about the failures of the system to protect both the accuser and the accused, nothing will ever improve. And the SJWs are stupid too. They think if we don't depict women being victimized, it will stop happening, when that is...

Very few people know what Ramsay has done. The Sparrows have seized power very briefly, this is a matter of a few days or weeks, and with the kingsguard and the city watch basically gutted at this point, who's to stop them? Cersei was very well protected for a long time, so no one could hurt her.

Declining from 'absurdly high' to 'still really high for such a serious crime.' The "just stop talking about it and it will go away" argument is ridiculous.

The consensus needs to be that sexual assault is still unacceptably high. Fake statistics are bad, but so is denying a problem, denying people's experiences, sticking your head in the sand, etc.

Since the marriage was never consummated she isn't technically married to Tyrion.

I had to fast forward skip all the Theon torture parts. How anyone can want to watch that I don't know.

Cops are members of society, or at least they're supposed to be. Like a lot of modern criminology problems, this has a lot to do with cops and how rapes are reported and processed, and what the cops tell the victim and how they talk to the victim. You can say the laws are being enforced, but...

Yeah, life experiences don't count for shit I guess. I'm trying to impart upon you life experiences that you can't possibly have experienced because you're not a woman and I'm just being told to shut up because you don't want your worldview shattered. At least Cad's counterargument is...

This is ridiculous. The victimization of women (also probably men too) is unacceptably high regardless of how you want to look at it, and nothing is being done about it, and people are being told to shut up about it. That attitude is LITERALLY part of the problem I'm trying to address...

I'm not claiming it's a statistic. I very clearly stated the bounds of my data to be personal anecdotes. You're right, it's a self selecting sample that's inherently biased. The ones that weren't raped obviously don't talk about being raped. So I'll admit a very serious sampling problem...

Yes, that's my thesis here. Any woman who is reasonably sexually active for a significant period of her adolescence + adulthood will be raped or otherwise forced or intimidated to perform a sex act that is against their wishes at some point in that period. They will not report it because they...

No it goes up over their cumulative lifespan you moron.

Your'e conflating studies of sexual violence for college students with studies of all women. Most of the women I'm talking about are adults.

HOW THE FUCK IS THAT A STRAW MAN? That's the entire basis of this conversation.

If something is by all rational standards a rape but isn't proven or provable in a court of law, is it still a rape? That's the heart of this argument. Considering this whole discussion stems from the nebulous distinction over whether Sansa was raped or not, my words were chosen very...

No, what's ACTUALLY scary is how oblivious men are to the victimization of women and yet THEY are the ones that generally get to make the legal and political decisions about what happens to a woman's body.

Yes, absolutely every woman I know has been put in a position where they were sexually exploited against their wishes and were scared into silence by a belief that the system would not protect them or that the social repercussions against them would be worse than the punishment levied against...

From my view, we're already there, have been for a long time, and nothing has been done to effectively address this.

In this case it's me being mad that the law isn't even set up to label many of these things crimes. And that victims are still actively discouraged to report crimes.

What I said was not a straw man. That is an honest summary. I'm not even saying whether it's the right or wrong approach, just that I don't agree with it.

What I've gotten out of all of these conversations is that you guys think there's a level of victimization of women that just needs to be accepted as to not sully the sanctity of our legal system. And that level of victimization is pretty damn high. You guys think the system works, I don't...

Back when men were lynched for rape, wives were considered property and marital rape wasn't a crime. DOES NOT APPLY HERE.

Tyrion talked his way out of having his throat slit and his cock lopped off. Still lolling about that. Also the title of the episode is was Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken. Sansa was bowed, bent and broken, all of the above. Really twisted when you think about it.

I think what was done to Sansa is monstrous, but I don't think it would meet any modern standards of rape given the evidence. I don't think the state would even attempt to charge Ramsay for sexual assault. EDIT: I don't only think it was monstrous, but I think worse things are done to 100s...

Would the law protect Sansa here given all of the evidence? I don't believe it would.

We're talking about this specific example where we do have video evidence. How do you reconcile the law in such a way as to ensure that Sansa has sovereignty over her own body at all times? That's my final question, I'm done.

I preemptively responded to this, that's how predictable you are.

Drinking has absolutely nothing to do with this scenario. She was clearly fully conscious at all points. You're the one that's Misting.