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It's not happening. Complex human behaviors are not being passed on via instinct, because those behaviors developed long after our brains developed newer, better systems of passing on behaviors, aka language and learning. This is basic neuroscience.

I'm not quoting studies. I have better shit to do. You still haven't shown me the data behind the bullshit spouted by the dudes in the documentary, or checked their math for P-hacking (which you won't be able to do, because they won't have published the original data, only the dataset they...

You seriously think that engineering aptitude is being passed on via the mechanism ofinstinct? Coding skills? Poetry?

We don't see this evidence because these gender roles have proven to be beneficial and developed in parallel throughout most of the societies on the planet. Again, you're painting my position as extreme when it's not. I think gender roles are positive characteristic of society, I just think...

It's not the ONLY trait that's passed on, but it is by far the dominant one that is passed on. 80 years of behavioral psychology has shown that modeling behaviors and other learned behaviors get more and more dominant the more evolved the animal gets. Let me put it this way. Science has...

"We have found no evidence of differences" doesn't support your end of the argument any better. That's my point. Your end of the argument is more conjecture and less scientifically based than my end of the argument. Again, you're over 100 years late to the party on this.

No, I didnotsay that, and you will not find scientific evidence to support that. If I said anything that sounds like, which I don't think I did, it's because it's 3am and I'm trying to attack people with many many goblins right now in between posts.

There's actually plenty of evidence that pre-civilization humans didn't have as rigid gender roles as we imagine them to have. Yes, biological necessity put the brunt of childcare on the women, and evolutionary forces put the bulk of the risk-taking behaviors on the men, as you could lose a...

Those are adult brains. Not brains at birth. Brains are highly plastic and are shaped during their development all the way into ones early 20s, and still a little bit beyond that. Those changes are shaped by both hormones and how wechooseto use our brains, and those choices are socially...

Notjust because.Because we've peered into the brain and not seen any evidence of significant structural differences. The science has been done. Yes, there are some differences, but they're not significant compared to external forces, and most of those differences are the result of hormones...

Modelling is just way more powerful of a force, and gets more and more powerful the more cognitively evolved the animal is. I like how you guys show up 100 years late to the argument and think you're going over new territory. Many psychologists believed that when we finally developed the...

What's really ironic is the number of people in this thread that were lamenting the lack of male teachers for pages and pages, when that's a prime example of society putting too much stock in it's assumptions of biologically based gender roles. The lack of male teachers bothers me only...

I didn't say that at all. You're just making shit up. I personally think that socialized gender roles are largely a positive for the bulk of society, societies need defined structures to work and gender is certainly a good one, I just don't see compelling evidence that they're biologically...

Right, that's what I'm saying. I'm countering the argument that they'd just mimic whatever they see in the absence of a male role model. They specifically seek to mimic behavior from same-sex role models. That's your biological component. Not the roles themselves.

You keep throwing out engineers as if that's a statistically relevant percentage of the population. The vast majority of men are not engineers, drawing conclusions about engineers is not very useful. Scientific observations of children modelling behaviors after same-sex role models are among...

I did not say identical. I said the differences were very small and not nearly large enough to account for the massive differences in outcomes with regard to occupational choices, and that they had to be multiplied by large, external factors in order to account for those massive differences.

ITT: People who don't know anything about psychology or genetics arguing about psychology and genetics.

"By one estimate, the human Y chromosome has lost 1,393 of its 1,438 original genes over the course of its existence" Runty. Degenerate would be another valid word. You better hope that none of the important brain infos are on there.

That's not my position. I certainly did not say thatallbehavior is learned. My position is that the vast majority ofsexually divergent behaviorsare learned and reinforced through societal forces and not the result of structural dimorphism in the brain. And what structural dimorphism that DOES...

What you're describing is actually exactly what I'm saying,modelling, generation after generation. Do you seriously think those traits only get passed on to the male babies? Do you really think that's how genetics works? That somewhere tucked up on your runty Y chromosomes there's some...

Your examples of inherited behaviors that you just listed weren't even sexually dimorphic. Freshly hatched turtles seek the shore regardless of their fucking gender.

And absolutely none of those things have anything to do with sexual dimorphism in brains.

Things are developing a bit differently in Africa than they did in the west. We don't have a lot of examples, because *all* human societies have assigned women by necessity to the care of children (and the household after the development of civilization) for tens of thousands of years. It's...

Lost argument on basically every level, including lacking a high school level understanding of the difference between DNA and genes; resorts to ad hominem. EDIT: You're also still confusing learned behavior with genetic traits.

Are you seriously fucking retarded?

So you agree that it's sociological and not biological. Glad we're on the same page. Thanks.

There's absolutely no significant differences in mathematical ability between girls and boys. This is both scientifically provable and provable by sheer data. So it has to be societal forces.

They can. But the complex system we're looking at is the occupational patterns, not the brain. So yes, very very small differences in brain are multiplied by very very powerful sociological forces to create the occupational patterns we see. You guys are making my point for me.

She's still hot but seriously, what's the point of wiggling your hips if you don't have any?

But it's not a whole gigantic ton of similarity, because the coded genes that are actually active are the ones that have all the differences. 99% of the similar parts, much like the goggles, do nothing. But, even if we accept your massive and unfounded 'what if,' if the difference between...

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WRONG. You're fucking scientifically illiterate and now I'm going to school the fucking shit out of you. You're confusing DNA with genes (and to some extend genomes) We share ~99% of chimp DNA, but the vast majority of that DNA is junk DNA, inactive noncoding DNA. Over 98% of the human...

There are noplain physiological differencesin the higher-level cognitive regions of the brain at birth. They do develop along slightly different lines due to hormones, but hormones are highly influenced by external forces, and hormones levels vary so dramatically between individuals that it...

But we know, as scientific fact, that those higher level brain functions are NOT expressed significantly different. You're trying to draw an analog between peacock feathers and brains with absolutely no evidence to support it. Again, you're pitting evolutionary psychology, which is the least...

They self-identify as some gender other than their biological sex and start mirroring the behaviors of that gender instead of their biological sex. There are many causes for why their self-identification could change from their biologically assigned sex, some are biological and some are...

Both sides of the argument in this case are psychologists and sociologists. They're just putting weight on the ones that agree with the hypothesis that they want to be true.

You might know so little about the brain, but neuroscientists actually know a whole lot.

I do, do you? And seriously, the people bring evolutionary psychology into this are fucking jokes. Evolutionary psychology is ALL theory, because it's making conjecture about the psychology of research subjects who are all long dead. You're just throwing the term evolutionary psychology...

You're all seriously fucking retarded. You're all living proof of those recent studies that show that a professed belief in science do not actually make one more likely to actually understand science. Successfully breeding males would still be just as likely to pass on all of those...

Do you know how genes work? The man's genes don't only go into the male babies...