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Sithro

Molten Core Raider
1,493
195
Been watching people play on Twitch. Not sure how I feel about the game yet. The skill system still shallow? It's unfortunate that they locked themselves down to mobile phones like they did.
 

Lumi

Vyemm Raider
4,023
2,769
The PvP is kinda decent but playing just feels like a fucking job. Every minute I'm playing I'm just thinking to myself "what the fuck am I doing?". The whole game feels shallow and devoid of creativity of imagination, not just the skill system.
 
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DonBenno

Molten Core Raider
54
10
first 2 hours of release was a shitfest, after that smooth as silk if you was intelligent enough to gtfo of starter zones asap. My small guild are in t4 and crafting most t4 now and thats just the 10 or so that had legendary
 

uniqueuser

Vyemm Raider
1,737
4,888
For anyone still on the fence, be advised they launched this game with absolutely no anticheat protection. They didn't even so much as checksum their (only partially obfuscated) managed assemblies, the bare minimum of effort.

Speedhacks, zoomhacks, teleports, attack/ability range hacks, bots, etc. are trivial to produce for anyone with a .NET decompiler and a little spare time.
 
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Hatorade

A nice asshole.
8,155
6,508
The PvP is kinda decent but playing just feels like a fucking job. Every minute I'm playing I'm just thinking to myself "what the fuck am I doing?". The whole game feels shallow and devoid of creativity of imagination, not just the skill system.

Well that worries me...
 

Hatorade

A nice asshole.
8,155
6,508
For anyone still on the fence, be advised they launched this game with absolutely no anticheat protection. They didn't even so much as checksum their (only partially obfuscated) managed assemblies, the bare minimum of effort.

Speedhacks, zoomhacks, teleports, attack/ability range hacks, bots, etc. are trivial to produce for anyone with a .NET decompiler and a little spare time.

Bleh, lets hope they are actively monitoring such things.
 

DixieFatline

Trakanon Raider
26
24
Played for a couple of hours yesterday. Smooth experience from a technical point of view. Starting zones were a complete mess (saw 2) - completely overcrowded - people camping resource spawns etc. Will likely get worse today as the gates are opened wide. So can only support advice of gtfo of starting area, was a bit confused however as you seemingly have to pay to process resources at player run towns?
 

Zog

Blackwing Lair Raider
1,715
2,227
Played for a couple of hours yesterday. Smooth experience from a technical point of view. Starting zones were a complete mess (saw 2) - completely overcrowded - people camping resource spawns etc. Will likely get worse today as the gates are opened wide. So can only support advice of gtfo of starting area, was a bit confused however as you seemingly have to pay to process resources at player run towns?

You can't really bypass anything since resources are locked behind item tiers, there's no way around it really, you're going to have to fight the zerg to inch your way into the outer zones and then make incredibly long travels back to convert/craft/sell.

This process will repeat for quite a while until people realize they aren't having fun and quit.

Most won't even set foot into the pvp zones.
 

DixieFatline

Trakanon Raider
26
24
You can't really bypass anything since resources are locked behind item tiers, there's no way around it really, you're going to have to fight the zerg to inch your way into the outer zones and then make incredibly long travels back to convert/craft/sell.

This process will repeat for quite a while until people realize they aren't having fun and quit.

Most won't even set foot into the pvp zones.

You are probably right. Didn't play beta so I am not very familiar with the game. However, I noticed that even in T4 zones there are T1 ressources and it did not seem that dangerous and way less crowded. What annoyed me was that I had to pay silver to process ressources...
 

DonBenno

Molten Core Raider
54
10
The crafting station tax is murdering us atm as a a small guild. We don't want to create Island untill we move to carleon which some of our casuals are not ready for. I think the best option is to get in t3 gear, get out of starter zones and grind t4 asap. Get dungeon groups for silver to get you by untill the tax falls. Then crafting becomes a lot more viable
 

Chersk

Trakanon Raider
1,338
1,195
For anyone still on the fence, be advised they launched this game with absolutely no anticheat protection. They didn't even so much as checksum their (only partially obfuscated) managed assemblies, the bare minimum of effort.

Speedhacks, zoomhacks, teleports, attack/ability range hacks, bots, etc. are trivial to produce for anyone with a .NET decompiler and a little spare time.

The game has been in beta for years now and I haven't heard of rampant cheating...just bots. Knock on wood of course.
 

Zog

Blackwing Lair Raider
1,715
2,227
2 hour queue. 6500 in line.

Waited about 10 minutes and it's 20 minute queue with 1000 in line. This does not bode well.
 

Borzak

Bronze Baron of the Realm
24,422
31,639
I haven't done any investigation into the game. But I watched a stream for about an hourof someone who normally streams another game. An hour is a pretty short time but in that hour it looked like tradeskills online.
 

Lumi

Vyemm Raider
4,023
2,769
Been selling stuff in various games for quite a long time now and never once had a problem really until I met this guy today. Luckily I managed to get most of my 100$ back from this pile of shit game. Anyways, pretty entertaining read.

[7/19/2017 3:53:37 PM] Orich: hey
[7/19/2017 3:53:53 PM] Orich: i'll buy that gold from you
[7/19/2017 3:53:57 PM] Kevin: ok
[7/19/2017 3:54:09 PM] Orich: how do we proceed
[7/19/2017 3:54:15 PM] Orich: paypal f&f I see
[7/19/2017 3:54:25 PM] Kevin: send payment to www.paypal.me/awaiting using the friends and family option
[7/19/2017 3:54:38 PM] Kevin: then give me a character name to contact you in game
[7/19/2017 3:55:19 PM] Orich: sent
[7/19/2017 3:55:50 PM] Orich: IGN is Orich
[7/19/2017 3:57:18 PM] Kevin: kk
[7/19/2017 3:57:24 PM] Kevin: there's a que to login
[7/19/2017 3:57:36 PM] Kevin: gonna take a lil bit
[7/19/2017 3:58:04 PM] Orich: You made a lot of gold that fast man
[7/19/2017 3:58:04 PM] Orich: grats
[7/19/2017 3:58:28 PM] Kevin: hehe its really just from legendary founder
[7/19/2017 3:58:47 PM] Orich: ahh
[7/19/2017 3:58:48 PM] Kevin: don't have the time to play this game so just gonna sell it
[7/19/2017 3:58:56 PM] Orich: yeah smart
[7/19/2017 3:59:08 PM] Kevin: looks like server is down or something not sure
[7/19/2017 3:59:12 PM] Kevin: keeps saying failed to connect
[7/19/2017 3:59:14 PM] Orich: its been funky
[7/19/2017 3:59:16 PM] Orich: keep trying it goes
[7/19/2017 4:00:42 PM] Orich: oh hey, would you mind hooking me up with your ox thing too? :)
[7/19/2017 4:00:50 PM] Orich: the thing that carries items?
[7/19/2017 4:00:54 PM] Kevin: ya np
[7/19/2017 4:00:59 PM] Orich: oh nice, they look awesome
[7/19/2017 4:01:00 PM] Orich: never used one
[7/19/2017 4:01:04 PM] Orich: I'm total noob in this game lol
[7/19/2017 4:01:22 PM] Orich: servers restarting in 2 mins
[7/19/2017 4:01:28 PM] Orich: will be back up after that
[7/19/2017 4:01:51 PM] Kevin: kk
[7/19/2017 4:09:12 PM] Orich: Hey man, looks like servers might be down for a while ... would you mind refunding me until the servers are in a position where we can actually trade?
[7/19/2017 4:09:38 PM] Orich: This might take a couple of hours, especially with queues ... which kinda leaves me vulnerable to scamming
[7/19/2017 4:09:50 PM] Kevin: hmm
[7/19/2017 4:09:57 PM] Kevin: how does it leave you vulnerable to scamming? :/
[7/19/2017 4:10:12 PM] Orich: If I wait too long and you don't ever deliver gold, the money is gone
[7/19/2017 4:10:24 PM] Kevin: it will get delivered I assure you
[7/19/2017 4:10:35 PM] Kevin: my account is 5 years old with only positive feedback
[7/19/2017 4:10:39 PM] Kevin: there is zero chance for scamming
[7/19/2017 4:11:48 PM] Orich: Ok
[7/19/2017 4:18:45 PM] Orich: Hey, I'm really sorry man ... I need to cancel this
[7/19/2017 4:18:58 PM] Orich: Forgive me <3
[7/19/2017 4:19:18 PM] Kevin: sale is final
[7/19/2017 4:19:20 PM] Kevin: sorry man
[7/19/2017 4:19:27 PM] Orich: There was no sale, nothing was delivered
[7/19/2017 4:19:36 PM] Orich: Please don't make this difficult
[7/19/2017 4:19:36 PM] Kevin: the money was
[7/19/2017 4:20:01 PM] Orich: A sale is final once the transaction is complete. This is incompleted.
[7/19/2017 4:20:02 PM] Kevin: and I need it
[7/19/2017 4:21:22 PM] Orich: So you're not going to refund me?
[7/19/2017 4:22:52 PM] Kevin: I cannot sorry
[7/19/2017 4:23:04 PM] Kevin: but youll get the gold and ox
[7/19/2017 4:24:50 PM] Orich: I'm going to get my money back now. You are a fucking jerkoff.
[7/19/2017 4:25:07 PM] Orich: I'm going to report you to EpicNPC
[7/19/2017 4:25:16 PM] Kevin: won't do you any good but ok
[7/19/2017 4:25:40 PM] Orich: So many scammers, it's so annoying to do any business
[7/19/2017 4:25:48 PM] Kevin: how am I a scammer?
[7/19/2017 4:26:02 PM] Orich: You took my money, delivered nothing, and won't refund me.
[7/19/2017 4:26:04 PM] Orich: SCAMMER.
[7/19/2017 4:26:21 PM] Kevin: i cannot deliver anything currently due to the servers being down
[7/19/2017 4:26:23 PM] Kevin: not my fault
[7/19/2017 4:26:27 PM] Orich: Right. So you REFUND me.
[7/19/2017 4:26:29 PM] Orich: But you refuse.
[7/19/2017 4:26:32 PM] Orich: You're hodling my money hostage.
[7/19/2017 4:26:35 PM] Kevin: if it were my fault
[7/19/2017 4:26:39 PM] Kevin: I'd be more than happy too
[7/19/2017 4:26:44 PM] Kevin: but since it isn't
[7/19/2017 4:26:48 PM] Kevin: shrug
[7/19/2017 4:27:24 PM] Orich: Now I have to waste an hour of my time to get my money back because you're a douchebag
[7/19/2017 4:27:26 PM] Orich: Just refund me
[7/19/2017 4:27:28 PM] Orich: And stop being a dick
[7/19/2017 4:27:36 PM] Kevin: you cannot get your money back
[7/19/2017 4:27:51 PM] Kevin: once the servers are up which should be shortly
[7/19/2017 4:27:55 PM] Kevin: youll get what you paid for
[7/19/2017 4:28:08 PM] Orich: Ofcourse I can get it back.
[7/19/2017 4:28:11 PM] Orich: Are you dumb?
[7/19/2017 4:28:14 PM] Kevin: how?
[7/19/2017 4:28:34 PM] Kevin: you sent an irreversible payment
[7/19/2017 4:32:18 PM] Kevin: just relax, you'll get your product np
[7/19/2017 4:35:21 PM] Orich: I highly recommend not delivery the gold to me.
[7/19/2017 4:35:25 PM] Orich: The money will be back in my account within an hour.
[7/19/2017 4:35:30 PM] Orich: Also screenshotting this and reporting to EpicNPC
[7/19/2017 4:35:35 PM] Orich: You are a complete fucking douchebag
[7/19/2017 4:42:51 PM] Kevin: ok then
[7/19/2017 4:43:03 PM] Kevin: not sure how I'm a douche bag
[7/19/2017 4:43:10 PM] Kevin: when its not my fault i cant deliver the gold
[7/19/2017 4:43:19 PM] Kevin: and i even agreed to give you an extra item
[7/19/2017 4:43:26 PM] Orich: You can be a good human being, and refund the money when it's asked of you .... regardless of the circumstance
[7/19/2017 4:43:27 PM] Kevin: that wasn't a part of the original offer
[7/19/2017 4:43:46 PM] Orich: Now I have to waste time getting my money back the hard way
[7/19/2017 4:43:50 PM] Orich: Because you won't be a decent guy
[7/19/2017 4:44:12 PM] Orich: I could see if we completed the transaction and you gave me the gold
[7/19/2017 4:44:16 PM] Orich: But its NO HARM NO FOUL to you
[7/19/2017 4:44:25 PM] Orich: You can hit a SINGLE button and be a good human being
[7/19/2017 4:44:33 PM] Orich: But instead, you are trying to FORCE me into a failed transaction
[7/19/2017 4:44:35 PM] Kevin: server is up
[7/19/2017 4:44:39 PM] Orich: LOL
[7/19/2017 4:44:41 PM] Kevin: if you want your product
[7/19/2017 4:44:57 PM] Orich: You're like... dense or something
[7/19/2017 4:45:01 PM] Orich: You think I'd go through with it now?
[7/19/2017 4:45:11 PM] Orich: "sale is final, sorry"
[7/19/2017 4:45:13 PM] Orich: yeah ok.
[7/19/2017 4:45:20 PM] Kevin: well
[7/19/2017 4:45:29 PM] Kevin: if you want what you paid for, let me know
[7/19/2017 4:45:33 PM] Orich: You're lucky I don't take the gold and get my money back
[7/19/2017 4:45:40 PM] Orich: Because -I- am a decent person
[7/19/2017 4:45:43 PM] Orich: And STILL won't do that to you
[7/19/2017 4:45:44 PM] Kevin: you cannot get your money back
[7/19/2017 4:45:59 PM] Orich: Are you sure? If you're saying you don't mind either way ... I'll hop on and take the gold
[7/19/2017 4:46:06 PM] Orich: Let me know
[7/19/2017 4:46:33 PM] Kevin: i don't know how you intend to get a friends and family payment back
[7/19/2017 4:46:39 PM] Kevin: because its not possible
[7/19/2017 4:46:42 PM] Kevin: so its up to you
[7/19/2017 4:46:55 PM] Orich: If you're 100% ok with me taking the gold and getting my money back, just say it so I have a record
[7/19/2017 4:47:24 PM] Kevin: I'm not ok with you getting your money back if you take the gold
[7/19/2017 4:47:31 PM] Kevin: but since you can't
[7/19/2017 4:47:36 PM] Kevin: I suggest you do
[7/19/2017 4:47:53 PM] Orich: Well, I warned you with my intentions
[7/19/2017 4:48:01 PM] Orich: So I'll hop on, and you can give me your gold
[7/19/2017 4:48:05 PM] Kevin: you're free to try
[7/19/2017 4:48:22 PM] Kevin: but having been a seller for many many years i already know its not possible
[7/19/2017 4:48:45 PM] Orich: Ok Kevin. Queue position is 1001,17 minutes
[7/19/2017 4:48:47 PM] Orich: Will be on shortly
[7/19/2017 4:48:50 PM] Kevin: i didn't scam you nor did i ever have the intention to do so
[7/19/2017 4:49:32 PM] Kevin: not sure what the big deal is
[7/19/2017 4:50:11 PM] Orich: I was going to buy another 20k
[7/19/2017 4:50:16 PM] Orich: After you
[7/19/2017 4:50:22 PM] Orich: But since I have to wait ... I've been trapped before
[7/19/2017 4:50:27 PM] Orich: Had the server come up
[7/19/2017 4:50:32 PM] Orich: We wouldn't even be talking anymore
[7/19/2017 4:50:44 PM] Orich: I wanted the option of a refund ... your response has really rubbed me the wrong way
[7/19/2017 4:50:46 PM] Orich: If you had refunded and it came up
[7/19/2017 4:50:51 PM] Orich: I woulda just re-sent and done it
[7/19/2017 4:51:01 PM] Orich: I don't have a cheaper option, everyone else is selling accounts + gold, not just gold
[7/19/2017 4:51:17 PM] Orich: Which youre aware of, since you are on the same site
[7/19/2017 4:51:40 PM] Kevin: sorry but i just want to sell the gold and be done with this game
[7/19/2017 4:51:49 PM] Orich: But being bullied because you think I cant get my money back ... man that just really rubbed me the wrong way
[7/19/2017 4:51:59 PM] Orich: FYI, I can get my money back ... its a ROYAL pain in the ass
[7/19/2017 4:52:07 PM] Orich: But it's possible
[7/19/2017 4:52:13 PM] Kevin: i mean you can, but not from me
[7/19/2017 4:52:19 PM] Kevin: and you'd permanently lose your paypal account
[7/19/2017 4:52:37 PM] Orich: That's not true ... I've been a paypal member since before 95% of their user base
[7/19/2017 4:52:48 PM] Kevin: same here
[7/19/2017 4:52:50 PM] Orich: Paypal F&F is PRETTY safe
[7/19/2017 4:52:53 PM] Orich: But it's not ironclad
[7/19/2017 4:53:00 PM] Orich: If you know how, you can still protect against scammers
[7/19/2017 4:53:08 PM] Orich: But I admit
[7/19/2017 4:53:09 PM] Orich: youre
[7/19/2017 4:53:12 PM] Orich: "I don't know what the big deal is"
[7/19/2017 4:53:16 PM] Orich: made me laugh
[7/19/2017 4:53:28 PM] Kevin: you'd have to do a charge back from your bank account or credit card
[7/19/2017 4:53:31 PM] Orich: every time I go on EPICNPC ... I prepare for this
[7/19/2017 4:53:35 PM] Orich: No I wouldn't
[7/19/2017 4:53:41 PM] Orich: There are other ways
[7/19/2017 4:53:45 PM] Kevin: trust me you can't get an F&F payment back
[7/19/2017 4:53:51 PM] Orich: I've done it before man
[7/19/2017 4:53:53 PM] Orich: Trust me, you can.
[7/19/2017 4:53:59 PM] Kevin: otherwise I'm sure i would've been scammed somewhere along the lines of the 6 figures in sales ive done using it
[7/19/2017 4:54:13 PM] Orich: Scammers are dumb
[7/19/2017 4:54:22 PM] Orich: You need to be smart to get it done ...
[7/19/2017 4:54:27 PM] Orich: Anyway
[7/19/2017 4:54:29 PM] Orich: I don't relaly want to prove this to you
[7/19/2017 4:54:31 PM] Orich: I don't care
[7/19/2017 4:54:37 PM] Orich: just give me the gold and the ox, and ill get lost
[7/19/2017 4:54:56 PM] Orich: I don't want you to win by bullying me ... it's absolute bullshit
[7/19/2017 4:55:00 PM] Orich: But whatever
[7/19/2017 4:55:26 PM] Orich: I'm in game
[7/19/2017 4:56:03 PM] Kevin: well
[7/19/2017 4:56:08 PM] Kevin: I'm 100% sure you're wrong but whatever
[7/19/2017 4:56:17 PM] Orich: Invite me to group please
[7/19/2017 4:56:19 PM] Orich: Orich
[7/19/2017 4:56:23 PM] Kevin: sec I crashed brb
[7/19/2017 4:56:29 PM] Orich: lol.
[7/19/2017 4:57:07 PM] Orich: I give in .... and you still press
[7/19/2017 4:57:17 PM] Kevin: I'm just saying
[7/19/2017 4:57:24 PM] Kevin: there's a dude on twitch who sent F&F donations
[7/19/2017 4:57:28 PM] Kevin: tens of thousands worth
[7/19/2017 4:57:32 PM] Kevin: he didn't get a penny back
[7/19/2017 4:57:44 PM] Orich: I meant on the "I crashed"
[7/19/2017 4:57:46 PM] Kevin: he tried to reverse those payments
[7/19/2017 4:57:53 PM] Kevin: I actually did crash
[7/19/2017 4:58:00 PM] Kevin: not my fault their servers are fucked right now
[7/19/2017 4:58:16 PM] Kevin: this is why I just wanted to sell the gold and be done with this game for good
[7/19/2017 4:58:27 PM] Orich: its fine, ill wait
[7/19/2017 4:58:36 PM] Orich: and if you REALLLLLLY want me to prove you wrong about the reversal
[7/19/2017 4:58:39 PM] Orich: i'll do it ... lol
[7/19/2017 4:59:09 PM] Kevin: heh be my guest
[7/19/2017 5:04:08 PM] Orich: u coming on?
[7/19/2017 5:04:31 PM] Kevin: says 29 minutes but its moving a lot faster than it says
[7/19/2017 5:04:41 PM] Kevin: probably more like 5 minutes tops
[7/19/2017 5:09:28 PM] Kevin: ill be in bridgewatch btw
[7/19/2017 5:09:33 PM] Kevin: if you want to head there
[7/19/2017 5:09:51 PM] Kevin: you can get there for free by stripping naked and using the portal dude available in every city
[7/19/2017 5:13:27 PM] Orich: ok I'm in bridgewatch
[7/19/2017 5:13:38 PM] Kevin: kk it says 7 minutes now
[7/19/2017 5:14:09 PM] Orich: I'm right next to the horses by the portal guy
[7/19/2017 5:16:02 PM] Kevin: 2 minutes
[7/19/2017 5:19:22 PM] Kevin: ok sorry for the delay
[7/19/2017 5:19:50 PM] Orich: lol ok
[7/19/2017 5:19:54 PM] Orich: have a goo done
[7/19/2017 5:20:04 PM] Kevin: and sorry to seem like a douche but a) I just wanted to get off this game and b) I didn't really appreciate you saying I might scam you
[7/19/2017 5:22:23 PM] Kevin: and just in the off chance that you do somehow manage to reverse an irreversible payment, I have evidence of you breaking SBI's terms of service which would result in the termination of your account
[7/19/2017 5:22:31 PM] Kevin: have a good day
 
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Zog

Blackwing Lair Raider
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Been selling stuff in various games for quite a long time now and never once had a problem really until I met this guy today. Luckily I managed to get most of my 100$ back from this pile of shit game. Anyways, pretty entertaining read.

[7/19/2017 3:53:37 PM] Orich: hey
[7/19/2017 3:53:53 PM] Orich: i'll buy that gold from you
[7/19/2017 3:53:57 PM] Kevin: ok
[7/19/2017 3:54:09 PM] Orich: how do we proceed
[7/19/2017 3:54:15 PM] Orich: paypal f&f I see
[7/19/2017 3:54:25 PM] Kevin: send payment to www.paypal.me/awaiting using the friends and family option
[7/19/2017 3:54:38 PM] Kevin: then give me a character name to contact you in game
[7/19/2017 3:55:19 PM] Orich: sent
[7/19/2017 3:55:50 PM] Orich: IGN is Orich
[7/19/2017 3:57:18 PM] Kevin: kk
[7/19/2017 3:57:24 PM] Kevin: there's a que to login
[7/19/2017 3:57:36 PM] Kevin: gonna take a lil bit
[7/19/2017 3:58:04 PM] Orich: You made a lot of gold that fast man
[7/19/2017 3:58:04 PM] Orich: grats
[7/19/2017 3:58:28 PM] Kevin: hehe its really just from legendary founder
[7/19/2017 3:58:47 PM] Orich: ahh
[7/19/2017 3:58:48 PM] Kevin: don't have the time to play this game so just gonna sell it
[7/19/2017 3:58:56 PM] Orich: yeah smart
[7/19/2017 3:59:08 PM] Kevin: looks like server is down or something not sure
[7/19/2017 3:59:12 PM] Kevin: keeps saying failed to connect
[7/19/2017 3:59:14 PM] Orich: its been funky
[7/19/2017 3:59:16 PM] Orich: keep trying it goes
[7/19/2017 4:00:42 PM] Orich: oh hey, would you mind hooking me up with your ox thing too? :)
[7/19/2017 4:00:50 PM] Orich: the thing that carries items?
[7/19/2017 4:00:54 PM] Kevin: ya np
[7/19/2017 4:00:59 PM] Orich: oh nice, they look awesome
[7/19/2017 4:01:00 PM] Orich: never used one
[7/19/2017 4:01:04 PM] Orich: I'm total noob in this game lol
[7/19/2017 4:01:22 PM] Orich: servers restarting in 2 mins
[7/19/2017 4:01:28 PM] Orich: will be back up after that
[7/19/2017 4:01:51 PM] Kevin: kk
[7/19/2017 4:09:12 PM] Orich: Hey man, looks like servers might be down for a while ... would you mind refunding me until the servers are in a position where we can actually trade?
[7/19/2017 4:09:38 PM] Orich: This might take a couple of hours, especially with queues ... which kinda leaves me vulnerable to scamming
[7/19/2017 4:09:50 PM] Kevin: hmm
[7/19/2017 4:09:57 PM] Kevin: how does it leave you vulnerable to scamming? :/
[7/19/2017 4:10:12 PM] Orich: If I wait too long and you don't ever deliver gold, the money is gone
[7/19/2017 4:10:24 PM] Kevin: it will get delivered I assure you
[7/19/2017 4:10:35 PM] Kevin: my account is 5 years old with only positive feedback
[7/19/2017 4:10:39 PM] Kevin: there is zero chance for scamming
[7/19/2017 4:11:48 PM] Orich: Ok
[7/19/2017 4:18:45 PM] Orich: Hey, I'm really sorry man ... I need to cancel this
[7/19/2017 4:18:58 PM] Orich: Forgive me <3
[7/19/2017 4:19:18 PM] Kevin: sale is final
[7/19/2017 4:19:20 PM] Kevin: sorry man
[7/19/2017 4:19:27 PM] Orich: There was no sale, nothing was delivered
[7/19/2017 4:19:36 PM] Orich: Please don't make this difficult
[7/19/2017 4:19:36 PM] Kevin: the money was
[7/19/2017 4:20:01 PM] Orich: A sale is final once the transaction is complete. This is incompleted.
[7/19/2017 4:20:02 PM] Kevin: and I need it
[7/19/2017 4:21:22 PM] Orich: So you're not going to refund me?
[7/19/2017 4:22:52 PM] Kevin: I cannot sorry
[7/19/2017 4:23:04 PM] Kevin: but youll get the gold and ox
[7/19/2017 4:24:50 PM] Orich: I'm going to get my money back now. You are a fucking jerkoff.
[7/19/2017 4:25:07 PM] Orich: I'm going to report you to EpicNPC
[7/19/2017 4:25:16 PM] Kevin: won't do you any good but ok
[7/19/2017 4:25:40 PM] Orich: So many scammers, it's so annoying to do any business
[7/19/2017 4:25:48 PM] Kevin: how am I a scammer?
[7/19/2017 4:26:02 PM] Orich: You took my money, delivered nothing, and won't refund me.
[7/19/2017 4:26:04 PM] Orich: SCAMMER.
[7/19/2017 4:26:21 PM] Kevin: i cannot deliver anything currently due to the servers being down
[7/19/2017 4:26:23 PM] Kevin: not my fault
[7/19/2017 4:26:27 PM] Orich: Right. So you REFUND me.
[7/19/2017 4:26:29 PM] Orich: But you refuse.
[7/19/2017 4:26:32 PM] Orich: You're hodling my money hostage.
[7/19/2017 4:26:35 PM] Kevin: if it were my fault
[7/19/2017 4:26:39 PM] Kevin: I'd be more than happy too
[7/19/2017 4:26:44 PM] Kevin: but since it isn't
[7/19/2017 4:26:48 PM] Kevin: shrug
[7/19/2017 4:27:24 PM] Orich: Now I have to waste an hour of my time to get my money back because you're a douchebag
[7/19/2017 4:27:26 PM] Orich: Just refund me
[7/19/2017 4:27:28 PM] Orich: And stop being a dick
[7/19/2017 4:27:36 PM] Kevin: you cannot get your money back
[7/19/2017 4:27:51 PM] Kevin: once the servers are up which should be shortly
[7/19/2017 4:27:55 PM] Kevin: youll get what you paid for
[7/19/2017 4:28:08 PM] Orich: Ofcourse I can get it back.
[7/19/2017 4:28:11 PM] Orich: Are you dumb?
[7/19/2017 4:28:14 PM] Kevin: how?
[7/19/2017 4:28:34 PM] Kevin: you sent an irreversible payment
[7/19/2017 4:32:18 PM] Kevin: just relax, you'll get your product np
[7/19/2017 4:35:21 PM] Orich: I highly recommend not delivery the gold to me.
[7/19/2017 4:35:25 PM] Orich: The money will be back in my account within an hour.
[7/19/2017 4:35:30 PM] Orich: Also screenshotting this and reporting to EpicNPC
[7/19/2017 4:35:35 PM] Orich: You are a complete fucking douchebag
[7/19/2017 4:42:51 PM] Kevin: ok then
[7/19/2017 4:43:03 PM] Kevin: not sure how I'm a douche bag
[7/19/2017 4:43:10 PM] Kevin: when its not my fault i cant deliver the gold
[7/19/2017 4:43:19 PM] Kevin: and i even agreed to give you an extra item
[7/19/2017 4:43:26 PM] Orich: You can be a good human being, and refund the money when it's asked of you .... regardless of the circumstance
[7/19/2017 4:43:27 PM] Kevin: that wasn't a part of the original offer
[7/19/2017 4:43:46 PM] Orich: Now I have to waste time getting my money back the hard way
[7/19/2017 4:43:50 PM] Orich: Because you won't be a decent guy
[7/19/2017 4:44:12 PM] Orich: I could see if we completed the transaction and you gave me the gold
[7/19/2017 4:44:16 PM] Orich: But its NO HARM NO FOUL to you
[7/19/2017 4:44:25 PM] Orich: You can hit a SINGLE button and be a good human being
[7/19/2017 4:44:33 PM] Orich: But instead, you are trying to FORCE me into a failed transaction
[7/19/2017 4:44:35 PM] Kevin: server is up
[7/19/2017 4:44:39 PM] Orich: LOL
[7/19/2017 4:44:41 PM] Kevin: if you want your product
[7/19/2017 4:44:57 PM] Orich: You're like... dense or something
[7/19/2017 4:45:01 PM] Orich: You think I'd go through with it now?
[7/19/2017 4:45:11 PM] Orich: "sale is final, sorry"
[7/19/2017 4:45:13 PM] Orich: yeah ok.
[7/19/2017 4:45:20 PM] Kevin: well
[7/19/2017 4:45:29 PM] Kevin: if you want what you paid for, let me know
[7/19/2017 4:45:33 PM] Orich: You're lucky I don't take the gold and get my money back
[7/19/2017 4:45:40 PM] Orich: Because -I- am a decent person
[7/19/2017 4:45:43 PM] Orich: And STILL won't do that to you
[7/19/2017 4:45:44 PM] Kevin: you cannot get your money back
[7/19/2017 4:45:59 PM] Orich: Are you sure? If you're saying you don't mind either way ... I'll hop on and take the gold
[7/19/2017 4:46:06 PM] Orich: Let me know
[7/19/2017 4:46:33 PM] Kevin: i don't know how you intend to get a friends and family payment back
[7/19/2017 4:46:39 PM] Kevin: because its not possible
[7/19/2017 4:46:42 PM] Kevin: so its up to you
[7/19/2017 4:46:55 PM] Orich: If you're 100% ok with me taking the gold and getting my money back, just say it so I have a record
[7/19/2017 4:47:24 PM] Kevin: I'm not ok with you getting your money back if you take the gold
[7/19/2017 4:47:31 PM] Kevin: but since you can't
[7/19/2017 4:47:36 PM] Kevin: I suggest you do
[7/19/2017 4:47:53 PM] Orich: Well, I warned you with my intentions
[7/19/2017 4:48:01 PM] Orich: So I'll hop on, and you can give me your gold
[7/19/2017 4:48:05 PM] Kevin: you're free to try
[7/19/2017 4:48:22 PM] Kevin: but having been a seller for many many years i already know its not possible
[7/19/2017 4:48:45 PM] Orich: Ok Kevin. Queue position is 1001,17 minutes
[7/19/2017 4:48:47 PM] Orich: Will be on shortly
[7/19/2017 4:48:50 PM] Kevin: i didn't scam you nor did i ever have the intention to do so
[7/19/2017 4:49:32 PM] Kevin: not sure what the big deal is
[7/19/2017 4:50:11 PM] Orich: I was going to buy another 20k
[7/19/2017 4:50:16 PM] Orich: After you
[7/19/2017 4:50:22 PM] Orich: But since I have to wait ... I've been trapped before
[7/19/2017 4:50:27 PM] Orich: Had the server come up
[7/19/2017 4:50:32 PM] Orich: We wouldn't even be talking anymore
[7/19/2017 4:50:44 PM] Orich: I wanted the option of a refund ... your response has really rubbed me the wrong way
[7/19/2017 4:50:46 PM] Orich: If you had refunded and it came up
[7/19/2017 4:50:51 PM] Orich: I woulda just re-sent and done it
[7/19/2017 4:51:01 PM] Orich: I don't have a cheaper option, everyone else is selling accounts + gold, not just gold
[7/19/2017 4:51:17 PM] Orich: Which youre aware of, since you are on the same site
[7/19/2017 4:51:40 PM] Kevin: sorry but i just want to sell the gold and be done with this game
[7/19/2017 4:51:49 PM] Orich: But being bullied because you think I cant get my money back ... man that just really rubbed me the wrong way
[7/19/2017 4:51:59 PM] Orich: FYI, I can get my money back ... its a ROYAL pain in the ass
[7/19/2017 4:52:07 PM] Orich: But it's possible
[7/19/2017 4:52:13 PM] Kevin: i mean you can, but not from me
[7/19/2017 4:52:19 PM] Kevin: and you'd permanently lose your paypal account
[7/19/2017 4:52:37 PM] Orich: That's not true ... I've been a paypal member since before 95% of their user base
[7/19/2017 4:52:48 PM] Kevin: same here
[7/19/2017 4:52:50 PM] Orich: Paypal F&F is PRETTY safe
[7/19/2017 4:52:53 PM] Orich: But it's not ironclad
[7/19/2017 4:53:00 PM] Orich: If you know how, you can still protect against scammers
[7/19/2017 4:53:08 PM] Orich: But I admit
[7/19/2017 4:53:09 PM] Orich: youre
[7/19/2017 4:53:12 PM] Orich: "I don't know what the big deal is"
[7/19/2017 4:53:16 PM] Orich: made me laugh
[7/19/2017 4:53:28 PM] Kevin: you'd have to do a charge back from your bank account or credit card
[7/19/2017 4:53:31 PM] Orich: every time I go on EPICNPC ... I prepare for this
[7/19/2017 4:53:35 PM] Orich: No I wouldn't
[7/19/2017 4:53:41 PM] Orich: There are other ways
[7/19/2017 4:53:45 PM] Kevin: trust me you can't get an F&F payment back
[7/19/2017 4:53:51 PM] Orich: I've done it before man
[7/19/2017 4:53:53 PM] Orich: Trust me, you can.
[7/19/2017 4:53:59 PM] Kevin: otherwise I'm sure i would've been scammed somewhere along the lines of the 6 figures in sales ive done using it
[7/19/2017 4:54:13 PM] Orich: Scammers are dumb
[7/19/2017 4:54:22 PM] Orich: You need to be smart to get it done ...
[7/19/2017 4:54:27 PM] Orich: Anyway
[7/19/2017 4:54:29 PM] Orich: I don't relaly want to prove this to you
[7/19/2017 4:54:31 PM] Orich: I don't care
[7/19/2017 4:54:37 PM] Orich: just give me the gold and the ox, and ill get lost
[7/19/2017 4:54:56 PM] Orich: I don't want you to win by bullying me ... it's absolute bullshit
[7/19/2017 4:55:00 PM] Orich: But whatever
[7/19/2017 4:55:26 PM] Orich: I'm in game
[7/19/2017 4:56:03 PM] Kevin: well
[7/19/2017 4:56:08 PM] Kevin: I'm 100% sure you're wrong but whatever
[7/19/2017 4:56:17 PM] Orich: Invite me to group please
[7/19/2017 4:56:19 PM] Orich: Orich
[7/19/2017 4:56:23 PM] Kevin: sec I crashed brb
[7/19/2017 4:56:29 PM] Orich: lol.
[7/19/2017 4:57:07 PM] Orich: I give in .... and you still press
[7/19/2017 4:57:17 PM] Kevin: I'm just saying
[7/19/2017 4:57:24 PM] Kevin: there's a dude on twitch who sent F&F donations
[7/19/2017 4:57:28 PM] Kevin: tens of thousands worth
[7/19/2017 4:57:32 PM] Kevin: he didn't get a penny back
[7/19/2017 4:57:44 PM] Orich: I meant on the "I crashed"
[7/19/2017 4:57:46 PM] Kevin: he tried to reverse those payments
[7/19/2017 4:57:53 PM] Kevin: I actually did crash
[7/19/2017 4:58:00 PM] Kevin: not my fault their servers are fucked right now
[7/19/2017 4:58:16 PM] Kevin: this is why I just wanted to sell the gold and be done with this game for good
[7/19/2017 4:58:27 PM] Orich: its fine, ill wait
[7/19/2017 4:58:36 PM] Orich: and if you REALLLLLLY want me to prove you wrong about the reversal
[7/19/2017 4:58:39 PM] Orich: i'll do it ... lol
[7/19/2017 4:59:09 PM] Kevin: heh be my guest
[7/19/2017 5:04:08 PM] Orich: u coming on?
[7/19/2017 5:04:31 PM] Kevin: says 29 minutes but its moving a lot faster than it says
[7/19/2017 5:04:41 PM] Kevin: probably more like 5 minutes tops
[7/19/2017 5:09:28 PM] Kevin: ill be in bridgewatch btw
[7/19/2017 5:09:33 PM] Kevin: if you want to head there
[7/19/2017 5:09:51 PM] Kevin: you can get there for free by stripping naked and using the portal dude available in every city
[7/19/2017 5:13:27 PM] Orich: ok I'm in bridgewatch
[7/19/2017 5:13:38 PM] Kevin: kk it says 7 minutes now
[7/19/2017 5:14:09 PM] Orich: I'm right next to the horses by the portal guy
[7/19/2017 5:16:02 PM] Kevin: 2 minutes
[7/19/2017 5:19:22 PM] Kevin: ok sorry for the delay
[7/19/2017 5:19:50 PM] Orich: lol ok
[7/19/2017 5:19:54 PM] Orich: have a goo done
[7/19/2017 5:20:04 PM] Kevin: and sorry to seem like a douche but a) I just wanted to get off this game and b) I didn't really appreciate you saying I might scam you
[7/19/2017 5:22:23 PM] Kevin: and just in the off chance that you do somehow manage to reverse an irreversible payment, I have evidence of you breaking SBI's terms of service which would result in the termination of your account
[7/19/2017 5:22:31 PM] Kevin: have a good day

Sounds like he botched his own scam.