Atheism vs. Theism

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The central defect of atheism, old and new, is it is an entirely negative western identity and entirely dependent on Christianity. Specifically, it requires people of some status to defend Christianity and the Christian belief in the super natural. Atheism has always been the oxpecker of mass movements. Everything about it relies on its host both tolerating it and thriving on its own. It’s why atheism has had its spasms of success when Christianity in America has had a revival, as in the 80’s and the 2000’s.

Atheists will deny this, of course. They will argue, as Dennett often does, that the steep decline of Christianity is proof their arguments were superior. The reason they no longer talk about their thing is they won and their enemy is dead. The fact that there are plenty of Muslims and crackpot feminist airheads around spouting magical oogily-boogily never seems to get their attention for some reason. The only guy to venture into this area was Dawkins, but the Prog quickly reminded him who pays his bills.

That’s always been the tell with atheism. Belief in something as insane as male privilege or implicit whiteness should get their attention. After all, these are not just beliefs in the supernatural, they are primitive beliefs in the supernatural. Men of the classical period had more plausible and complex beliefs than people like Amy Harmon. She is a click away from demanding human sacrifice. Yet, the new atheists were never much interest in those magical beliefs. They were too busy hounding the last Christians.
 

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So, lots of horse shit to bash atheism without any actual logic? Old news.

Mistake #1: Asserting that atheism requires theism. It does not, and never did. Are there retards who happen to be atheists that mirror their theist counterparts in wanting to convert people or thing that their shit is the best? Sure. For the other 99% they have the common sense not to give a fuck what Jack and Sally next door do or don't do on Sundays.

Mistake #2: Correlation != causation. Christianity is falling due to increased availability to higher education, specifically math and science. Once you learn to think logically rather than emotionally, the underlying BS in *ALL* mythologies, not just Christianity, becomes visible.

Mistake #3: Unsupported conflation. Just because there are a lot of XXX group that you dislike who also identify as atheists, doesn't make the other group's ethos part of atheism. Atheism is a very singular aspect and revolves around a very singular topic. Is there a god or not?
 

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> Asserting that atheism requires theism
He didn't assert that atheism requires theism. He said that atheists orient their cult in opposition to Christianity (not to theism, only Christianity).

> Once you learn to think logically rather than emotionally, the underlying BS in *ALL* mythologies, not just Christianity, becomes visible.
Religiosity is increasing, not decreasing. Look at the explosion of secular creationism/equalism.

> Atheism is a very singular aspect and revolves around a very singular topic
Again you are thinking about the concept and not the people who are in a cult of anti-Christianity. They're not followers of atheism. They're cultists whose purpose is to bash Christianity. If they were adherents to atheism, they would mention Islam and secular creationism.
 

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Atheism is a REJECTION of belief. A LACK OF. That's what the prefix a- fucking means.

It is a negation.

the definition of a-

a reduced form of the Old English preposition on, meaning “on,” “in,” “into,” “to,” “toward,” preserved before a noun in a prepositional phrase, forming a predicate adjective or an adverbial element ( afoot; abed; ashore; aside; away ), or before an adjective ( afar; aloud; alow ), as a moribund prefix with a verb ( acknowledge ), and in archaic and dialectaluse before a present participle in -ing ( set the bells aringing ); and added to a verb stem with the force of a presentparticiple ( ablaze; agape; aglow; astride; and originally, awry ).
 

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Atheism is a belief. It's not something that you can prove or disprove.
> Asserting that atheism requires theism
He didn't assert that atheism requires theism. He said that atheists orient their cult in opposition to Christianity (not to theism, only Christianity).

> Once you learn to think logically rather than emotionally, the underlying BS in *ALL* mythologies, not just Christianity, becomes visible.
Religiosity is increasing, not decreasing. Look at the explosion of secular creationism/equalism.

> Atheism is a very singular aspect and revolves around a very singular topic
Again you are thinking about the concept and not the people who are in a cult of anti-Christianity. They're not followers of atheism. They're cultists whose purpose is to bash Christianity. If they were adherents to atheism, they would mention Islam and secular creationism.

We has a thread for that eh
 

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Atheism is a belief. It's not something that you can prove or disprove.
Much like dividing by zero or infinity. Logic tells us what the most likely answer is even if we can never prove it conclusively. If you really want to play comparative mythologies, why should Christianity be correct over Islam? Over viking mythology? Over Buddhism?
 

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So, lots of horse shit to bash atheism without any actual logic? Old news.

Mistake #1: Asserting that atheism requires theism. It does not, and never did. Are there retards who happen to be atheists that mirror their theist counterparts in wanting to convert people or thing that their shit is the best? Sure. For the other 99% they have the common sense not to give a fuck what Jack and Sally next door do or don't do on Sundays.
contradiction and just making up numbers

Mistake #2: Correlation != causation. Christianity is falling due to increased availability to higher education, specifically math and science. Once you learn to think logically rather than emotionally, the underlying BS in *ALL* mythologies, not just Christianity, becomes visible.
Christianity is failing due to a fairly successful communist war on liberty, family, individualism and most other things 'western culture' over the past 100+ years. If we're just making up numbers like above, 99% of atheists are just useful idiots in this plot.
 

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He didn't assert that atheism requires theism. He said that atheists orient their cult in opposition to Christianity (not to theism, only Christianity).
What an incredibly stupid thing to say, completely focused on western culture where Christianity is the dominant form of theism, and thus the template against which one would argue in this culture.

In fucking Saudi Arabia, the atheists oppose Islam because that is the dominant culture there.
 

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Atheism is a REJECTION of belief. A LACK OF. That's what the prefix a- fucking means.

It is a negation.

the definition of a-

a reduced form of the Old English preposition on, meaning “on,” “in,” “into,” “to,” “toward,” preserved before a noun in a prepositional phrase, forming a predicate adjective or an adverbial element ( afoot; abed; ashore; aside; away ), or before an adjective ( afar; aloud; alow ), as a moribund prefix with a verb ( acknowledge ), and in archaic and dialectaluse before a present participle in -ing ( set the bells aringing ); and added to a verb stem with the force of a presentparticiple ( ablaze; agape; aglow; astride; and originally, awry ).
Quickly stop talking atheism.... We have summoned the terror...
 

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What an incredibly stupid thing to say, completely focused on western culture where Christianity is the dominant form of theism, and thus the template against which one would argue in this culture.

In fucking Saudi Arabia, the atheists oppose Islam because that is the dominant culture there.
Christianity isn't the dominant form of theism in the West. Secular creationism is. 91% of White people are followers of it. 82% of blacks are. Christianity is down at 70%. And atheists don't attack secular creationism, because they aren't atheist. They're just anti-christian. The vast majority of them are strong members of the church of equalism.
 

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What an incredibly stupid thing to say, completely focused on western culture where Christianity is the dominant form of theism, and thus the template against which one would argue in this culture.

In fucking Saudi Arabia, the atheists oppose Islam because that is the dominant culture there.
In fucking Saudi Arabia, the atheists get behead because that is the dominant culture there. Fixed it for you.
 

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> Asserting that atheism requires theism
He didn't assert that atheism requires theism. He said that atheists orient their cult in opposition to Christianity (not to theism, only Christianity).

> Once you learn to think logically rather than emotionally, the underlying BS in *ALL* mythologies, not just Christianity, becomes visible.
Religiosity is increasing, not decreasing. Look at the explosion of secular creationism/equalism.

> Atheism is a very singular aspect and revolves around a very singular topic
Again you are thinking about the concept and not the people who are in a cult of anti-Christianity. They're not followers of atheism. They're cultists whose purpose is to bash Christianity. If they were adherents to atheism, they would mention Islam and secular creationism.
1: The idea of atheism as an organization like a religion is amusing. I'm sure there are people stupid enough to do that, just like there are people stupid enough to chop their own dicks off, but it makes just as little sense.

2: Being anti-Christian isn't a defining characteristic of atheism. It may be a part of some atheists, just like some Jews love bacon, and some Christians covet other mens' wives. But atheism is a very simple concept. It just means you don't believe in a god, consciously or unconsciously. It's not a difficult concept, and there are no 'Bibles' or other foundational texts to follow. Just that one, and only one, belief.

3: You are almost right. The anti-Christian stuff is definitely not atheism. There might be an anti-Christian cult, and some of its followers might be atheists, but the two are separate groups.
 

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> Asserting that atheism requires theism
He didn't assert that atheism requires theism. He said that atheists orient their cult in opposition to Christianity (not to theism, only Christianity).

> Once you learn to think logically rather than emotionally, the underlying BS in *ALL* mythologies, not just Christianity, becomes visible.
Religiosity is increasing, not decreasing. Look at the explosion of secular creationism/equalism.

> Atheism is a very singular aspect and revolves around a very singular topic
Again you are thinking about the concept and not the people who are in a cult of anti-Christianity. They're not followers of atheism. They're cultists whose purpose is to bash Christianity. If they were adherents to atheism, they would mention Islam and secular creationism.
it's still not a very honest article because he's using "atheism" in a highly specific and misleading way. Christianity doesn't need to exist in order for it to be possible to not believe in a higher power. All that stuff might be common today, but it's not actually required as a prerequisite to being an atheist.
 

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Christianity isn't the dominant form of theism in the West. Secular creationism is. 91% of White people are followers of it. 82% of blacks are. Christianity is down at 70%. And atheists don't attack secular creationism, because they aren't atheist. They're just anti-christian. The vast majority of them are strong members of the church of equalism.
Citation required. What the fuck is secular creationism? Sounds like a retarded theist attempt to redefine evolution to be a form of creationism, and that's fucking ignorant nonsense

In fucking Saudi Arabia, the atheists get behead because that is the dominant culture there. Fixed it for you.
The only reason that doesn't happen in the west is because rationalists and skeptics and atheists dragged Christianity towards a degree of moderation over the past 500 years.

But atheists exist in Saudi Arabia, though many must hide their beliefs, but regardless, the dominant religious template in that nation is Islam, and that is what atheists would primarily criticize there.
 

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Much like dividing by zero or infinity. Logic tells us what the most likely answer is even if we can never prove it conclusively. If you really want to play comparative mythologies, why should Christianity be correct over Islam? Over viking mythology? Over Buddhism?
Believe what you want to believe. I don't go in much for religion of any sort, even atheism.