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The debate about analogue and digital seems to be eternal. Some swear vinyl is superior; others say digital sampling reproduces a sine as pure as that produced by the transducer -- the plucked string vibrating above the pickup, the vocal sung into the mic. The problem is that reproducing a live performance relies on a wide variety of variables in both recording and playback that color the final product. Some audio enthusiasts talk about faithful reproduction of the original master, while others discuss the merits of measurements. But those in the business of reviewing music and audio equipment almost always emphasize the value of listening, using subjective adjectives to describe a personal listening experience.

So how good are your ears? Can you tell the difference between a compressed file and a lossless file, MP3 versus FLAC?

Take this test: How Well Can You Hear Audio Quality?

I know I have hearing loss above 13khz from decades of working in high noise environments, yet I was still able to pick five out of six of the high fidelity files. Was it just luck, or have years of listening trained my ears to recognize high quality? The results seem to indicate the general public can do no better than picking a file at random.

It was pretty easy for me to differentiate between MP3-128 and MP3-320 in everything but Tom's Diner; when I try to pick out 128 versus the higher-quality options, I try to focus on the background, and Tom's doesn't really have one.

I didn't select any 128s on the quiz, but I didn't do better than random chance on WAV vs. 320. In my case, ATH-M50Xes plugged directly into a computer with no DAC and Windows Sonic spatial sound activated.

Difficulty, IMO:
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I think being an audiophile means, you just like music and listening to it. I love driving down an interstate listening to AM radio. But if I try at home, I always just try to have fun.

I still love cd's as you can see from my earlier pics. I also love vinyl. Done decently, vinyl is pretty sweet.

The sound issue for me actually takes a backseat to how much I like collecting and playing vinyl, and doint it right (vynil requires care).

I have a mid 70's built-like-a-tank Japanese direct drive turntable and a Benz glider. The glider is a luxury buy; the turntable can be had for > 1k on ebay

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I completely understand. The music has been my passion for as long as I can remember. The equipment is only a means to an end. I bought my first stereo when I was 16. I quit school and went to work at a plant making windows for $3.50 an hour. Over the next year I managed to put together a Sansui AU2200 10 wpc amp, two second hand no name speakers, and an eight track player. During the summer I'd take it outside and set it up on a picnic table in the back yard. If you want to hear the best sound you've ever heard give it a try . . . no reflections or cancellation waves, the greatest anechoic chamber ever made. I eventually was able to afford a Dual 701 direct drive turntable, which I had up until I gave it all away. Every payday I had a circuit that I would make through the delete and sale bins in the big box stores. If I liked the album cover I would buy it; you could usually get deletes for a $1.50 each -- you wouldn't believe the bands I discovered that way. I've owned thousands of albums and I just can't be bothered any more. I was going through storage boxes under the stairs and I still have a couple of distat pads and some bottles of vinyl treatment. I don't need the physical product; the vast majority is over-priced disposable music for a disposable culture.

I added a Polk sub and the difference is astounding. With an LFE going it takes a lot of the load off the KEF and allows them to act as mid-range and tweeter. I've been switching back and forth between the tube pre-amp and straight DAC. The tube pre-amp definitely has a much wider sound stage and higher definition. My thoughts on system configuration change constantly but right now I'm leaning toward two Dayton class A/B amps configured as monoblocks. I think I'll feed them from a tube pre-amp. The Dayton can be daisy chained, so I could add a third one as a sub amp and have a shit kicker system for less than $1500.
 

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Still use a Sansui 5500 to feed my reel to reel thru, dad bought the Sansui when I was young. The quality is highly dependant on the speed recorded at and how bad a shape it's in. A 15 inch per second record speed in good shape is pretty high quality. Better than streaming music by a lot, better than vinyl. 3.5 ips pretty bad.

I just use it cause I buy tapes in bulk off ebay for next to nothing and sort thru the ones I want and ocassionaly get odd stuff. Stuff recorded off the radio, personal band recordings, and copies of released tapes, and factory tapes.
 

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Still use a Sansui 5500 to feed my reel to reel thru, dad bought the Sansui when I was young. The quality is highly dependant on the speed recorded at and how bad a shape it's in. A 15 inch per second record speed in good shape is pretty high quality. Better than streaming music by a lot, better than vinyl. 3.5 ips pretty bad.

I just use it cause I buy tapes in bulk off ebay for next to nothing and sort thru the ones I want and ocassionaly get odd stuff. Stuff recorded off the radio, personal band recordings, and copies of released tapes, and factory tapes.
That's a beautiful piece of vintage hardware. One morning I turned on the 2200 and there was a puff of smoke -- and that's all she wrote. At one point I had an Akai reel to reel, but it had it's own amp and speakers and no way to patch it into a stereo system.
 

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I picked up the reel to reel later before the got hipsterish kind of like vinyl. When dad bought the Sansui receiver he also got 2 Cerwin Vega speakers but eventually they kind of rotted out after 40 years or so.
 

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You might think I was being metaphorical about the storage under the basement stairs, but it's a real thing, and it was packed: Five keyboards, three video cards, two sound cards with a Logitec 5.1, two PSUs; a router and two DSL modems; interconnects and patch cables, speaker wire up the yin yang, various transformers and power supply cords, a couple extrernal drive enclosures (one with a 100 meg Seagate in it LOL); a pair of Bose 301 speakers I'd forgotten I had; an xbox and xbox 360; a model of a Klingon Bird of Prey; a pair of neopremes, fly vest and kreel; various camping gear, a tape box with 200 cassets in it (mostly punk and 80s metal), a couple hundred cds, books and titty mags! I don't own a casset player any more, so they'll be going to the nephew -- he's scored heavy on this adventure.
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Still have a Sony complete sytem almost in brand new shape in the box from 1992, used very little. Noting special just a regular solid state receiver, tuner, 5 disc CD changer. The one thing that is really odd is the carousel tape system. For casette tapes, it rotates around and opens the door, you put the casette tape in and then it sucks it back in and rotates it around and you place the next one. Can have 5 loaded and play them end to end. I don't think I ever used it. I went on a spending spree in 1992 apparently. This, new Mustang GT and several other things.

This is a video of the same one. Still new in box along with most of the system. The speakers are long gone.

 
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Unique concept! Never seen that before. I did most of my cassette listening in my vehicle, but I had a Technics tape player, and later on, CD carousel. One time I went camping and took 60 tapes with me. I had a Chev Tracker with the soft top, all my fly fishing and camping gear in the back. I got back about two in the morning and said fuck it, I'll unload in the morning. Got up the next morning and some asshole had cut a hole in the top and cleaned it out; they used cutters of some kind to get the player out of the dash, and the amp from under the seat. The speakers were in boxes in the back, all Alpine. When I phoned the cops they told me they couldn't be bothered, bring the vehicle in and they'd look at it, check the pawnshops. I got seats from a junk yard for $200, and a new hard top for $1500. Insurance paid out $524; would only pay for one cassette that could have been in the player. Wanted me to claim everything else under house insurance, which had a $1k deductible. The Fenwick rod and reel were about $300, waders and vest another $150, and maybe a hundred worth of flies; camping gear maybe another couple hundred . . . I was pissed.

I owned a 72 Mustang, green with black hard top, 289 and C six. Loved that car!

I watch Techmoan quite a bit, along with Joe N Tell, Z Reviews ,and Audioholics.

 
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I picked up the reel to reel later before the got hipsterish kind of like vinyl. When dad bought the Sansui receiver he also got 2 Cerwin Vega speakers but eventually they kind of rotted out after 40 years or so.

I have found the hipsterish thing of vinyl to be alright by me. I got the vast majority of my vinyl from a relative leaving me their rock collection which covers up through the early 90's, then an ad in a newspaper like around 90 -- an old gentleman just wanted to give away his classical collection. Half of my vinyl is classical for that reason! Also, thrift stores used to be amazing!

I rmember when the late night talk show hosts started showing LP's of the acts performing on their show. I really loved to laugh at that.

Vinyl is fun, it is sexy, and it sounds great on a good stereo. I say, go hipsters. Nowadays pretty much everything comes out on vinyl! I like it, that shows people CARE, because from an artist perspective, a record company perspective, and a listener perspective, vinyl is not "plug and play." As an end user, you have to make some money investment and then set it up right.

But then the care pays off, and it's kind of cool. I still go on collecting binges.

Man, when even Taylor Swift puts her stuff on vinyl, you know things have changed. Vinyl was almost DEAD by the late 80's. Only punk labels still did it, I seem to remember.
 
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Hey Borzak -

I would def check out if you can sell that cassette player. There collectors out there who LOVE hard to find stuff. I had no idea a cassette carousel player even existed. You might have a really rare item on your hands there ;)
 

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I looked it up on ebay. Lot of them for sale "for parts". I hooked it a couple of years ago and it worked. There was one that worked for sale. Listed for $350+, doesn't mean it sells for that tho. I'll see. The remote for the system is kind of scratched a little cause I used the system (just the receiver and tuner) when I was in college. I never used the casette player at all really. It came with the system and by the time I got it in 1992 CD's were the thing mostly. I want to say I paid about $1200 for the whole system, receiver, tuner, CD changer, Cassete deal, and 2 floorstanding speakers, center speaker and 2 smaller speakers for "surround". I got it at an electrionic store that specialised in audio and TV's and such. But there was a store in town that had all the high end audio and TV with rooms to listen to them. I couldn't afford anything in there. Those places went the way of the dodo bird tho long time ago.

I have about 100 vinyl records from back in the day. I never listen to them, don't own a phonograph. Have never listened to them. Got them from my parents. Mostly Elvis and related stuff. Mom was a big fan way back. My grandfather took her to an Elvis concert in Houston which was a few hours away in the 50's before she got married in 1960. He was a preacher where they didn't use instruments in church. He always said he didn't see what the big deal was. Had a good beat and you could dance to it lol. He would have been near 60, born in 1898.
 
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My dad owned the theater in small town Canada. In 1972 there was a big promotion for the movie Elvis on Tour. As part of the promotion they gave us boxes of 45s to hand out. I raided it and came away with 20 or so records, can't remember what all there was, but it was a treasure hunt at the time. I used to sit up in the projection room and help dad load reels into the two arc projectors. They used carbon rods just like a welding rod, and ran off these huge tube rectifiers. So did the amplifier that powered two Altec A5 Voice of the Theater packages behind the screen. Years later I met the guy that bought the theater from us and asked about the speakers because I knew he's had to shut the place down. He said there was a leak in the roof that went undetected and destroyed them. I didn't know what they were at the time and only realized how famous they were when I recently saw a set for auction on Ebay.


 

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I've come to the conclusion that if you aren't sure you need a subwoofer you probably do. I've been listening to a set of KEF speakers for the last couple of months in near field; on my desk with an equilateral triangle of about four feet. Andrew Jones knew what he was doing when he went with the Uni-Q driver array design. With a bottom end of about 50hz it reaches deep enough, and using the woofer cone as a wave guide to direct tweeter dispersion is a masterpiece of on axis linearity. Sound stage and imaging are amazing, and detail is outstanding when playing a properly recorded track; listening to music I've heard hundreds of times before, I often hear things in the recording I've never heard before. In fact, my one complaint about the KEF is they can be too revealing: A shitty recording becomes unlistenable.

That is, until I added a subwoofer on the amp's Low Frequency Effects channel. After some tuning the difference is distinct and fills a portion of the audio spectrum I didn't realize was missing. At loud volumes the tap tap, tap tap of the kick drum takes on a physical property you can feel in your chest. The bass guitar track comes alive. At all volumes bass is filled out in a way a five inch speaker in a small enclosure just can't reproduce.

Here's a James Blake track to see how your speakers perform. Best to give it a listen at low volume before cranking it up: