EQ TLP 2024 Teek (Random loot) & Tormax (Traditional) #neckbeardnostalgia

Sounds like you’ve got a lot of meat in your mouth

Sounds like a miserable time, least it would go from 50 pop -> no pop in 2 months at selos speed

This forum is aging so hard that probably half the people who click the thread will do so actually believing that's the real ruleset.

My tinfoil hat theory is that the new owners are using EQ as a testbed for new systems and mechanics in preparation for a future MMO.

What's the ground breaking tech being tested? How many years you can sell people the same thing over again?

Tuco said:

Why would you believe this?

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Stuff like the persona thing they added on the last TLP, combined with the new owners having said they wanted to develop the IP. A way to test see what works, what issues come up when you try it, before committing it to a new game or new IP. An explanation as to why they try stuff that seems to come out of left field sometimes.

As I said, it's tinfoil hat stuff so I have no evidence beyond what the spirits radiate into my brain.

Lambourne said:

Stuff like the persona thing they added on the last TLP, combined with the new owners having said they wanted to develop the IP. A way to test see what works, what issues come up when you try it, before committing it to a new game or new IP. An explanation as to why they try stuff that seems to come out of left field sometimes.

As I said, it's tinfoil hat stuff so I have no evidence beyond what the spirits radiate into my brain.

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Putting a brand new system on an ancient game doesn't seem like it would accomplish a whole lot

And are you really testing out much when you have all of one or two people implementing it in a slap dash, haphazard way. It's not like they're really messing with any core game mechanics.

There's no conspiracy, it's just them trying to add a new feature as a selling point for the expansion.

Lambourne said:

My tinfoil hat theory is that the new owners are using EQ as a testbed for new systems and mechanics in preparation for a future MMO.

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This would be like a new car company using a Pontiac Fiero as their test bed platform.

Elderan said:

This would be like a new car company using a Pontiac Fiero as their test bed platform.

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Exactly, you use a dead end product to beta test your ideas so you can have them work right from the start in your 2025 model.

Maybe I'm wrong and perhaps I'm giving modern software development too much credit as to the amount of forethought that goes into it.

Lambourne said:

Exactly, you use a dead end product to beta test your ideas so you can have them work right from the start in your 2025 model.

Maybe I'm wrong and perhaps I'm giving modern software development too much credit as to the amount of forethought that goes into it.

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I think you're overvaluing how much portability between two incredibly different products would exist. The concept of personas is pretty simple and EQ is hardly the first to do it (especially in the simple form it exists in now); the devil would be in the details of all the elements of characters that you would need to move between which would be highly dependent on a lot of different game systems. EQ players are known for having a lot of alts and they usually take some time to really develop so some type of persona system seems natural to have for EQ itself.

Still, what other innovative ideas are they really testing out? FTE and encounter locking? Again, something that already exists in a lot of games, including EQ2 (and encounter locking was already in EQ before FTE), and will vary a lot based on the game mechanics. Dragon horde stash? Just glorified banking. I just don't see that they're really doing anything except trying to keep interest going in EQ.

I would argue most of the recent EQ system changes just stem from an engineer being in charge. When you're a hammer every problem looks like a nail. A lot of this stuff just feels very engineer-y a lot of "I can fix that!" without much consideration as to whether you should fix it. Just a different style of approach due to a different kind of person calling the shots

Flobee said:

I would argue most of the recent EQ system changes just stem from an engineer being in charge. When you're a hammer every problem looks like a nail. A lot of this stuff just feels very engineer-y a lot of "I can fix that!" without much consideration as to whether you should fix it. Just a different style of approach due to a different kind of person calling the shots

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Do any of the current team actually play the game?

Grizzlebeard said:

Do any of the current team actually play the game?

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Yeah half of them are in top 3 live raid guilds incognito.

Zaide said:

Yeah half of them are in top 3 live raid guilds incognito.

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So they spend all day working on the game then go home and play all evening!? Good lord.

Kithani said:

So they spend all day working on the game then go home and play all evening!? Good lord.

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Only tlps are like that. Live eq is usually 1 raid per week, and a few hours at that, except for a big launch event. I also wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they used dev powers to avoid more tedious grinds like an aug camp.

Kithani said:

So they spend all day working on the game then go home and play all evening!? Good lord.

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To be fair it's a lose-lose for them.

If they didn't play we'd say "Wow they don't even play their own game no wonder the game sucks" and if they do play its like "wow, corrupt Devs in raiding guilds + no life" though they could just join a guild not named Silent Redemption and it would be less stupid than having staff raid with a top 3 live progression guild.