European Politics Thread

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The other place didn't have one but this thread is needed.
 

Faith

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So... this Brexit thing.

While the UK currently is a huge financial center that can/will change when the big banks wants to get into that sweet continental market. If the UK do not get any deals on financial transactions and operating banks on the continent that could really hurt them.

The UK is about #8 in the world when it comes to industrial production, but looking at the figures it seems they are at 2% of global output ( https://www.mapi.net/blog/2015/09/china-solidifies-its-position-world%E2%80%99s-largest-manufacturer ). However, a large % of that is exports to other EU countries, something that might change when they leave.
 

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Large protests in Germany for Merkel to step down, afraid too much damage is done Germany is doomed.
 

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Vepil said:
Large protests in Germany for Merkel to step down, afraid too much damage is done Germany is doomed.
I agree, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. You had a good run, Europe.

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The UK is about #8 in the world when it comes to industrial production, but looking at the figures it seems they are at 2% of global output ( https://www.mapi.net/blog/2015/09/china-solidifies-its-position-world’s-largest-manufacturer ). However, a large % of that is exports to other EU countries, something that might change when they leave.
The banking sector is about 10% of the GDP of the UK. Keep 1/4th which would be the local UK banking which isn't going to stop, and you're seeing a recession of 7-8% from the City alone.

Plus all of the export disruptions which could easily add to 4-5% additional recession over a couple years.

Yea, the cost is going to be harsh.
 

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So how long do you guys think it will be before we have to merge the Middle East thread and this one? I'm setting the over/under at 5 years.
 

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So how long do you guys think it will be before we have to merge the Middle East thread and this one? I'm setting the over/under at 5 years.
The Middle Eastern Europe thread?
 

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Yea, I see a lot more militarization (in the militarized police role initially) that's going to happen in Europe soon just to keep the peace between the disaffected populace and the piles of immigrants. I don't see how this doesn't start another European war down the road.
 

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We going to start placing bets on when it starts?
 

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well, unless an inspired act of god happens to merkel, she is determined to open up the muslim floodgates even more. essentially forcing germany to go full on fascism. germany will either collapse in the next 5 years or we will be hearing about adolf III being "elected" president.
 

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I bet ten years until we slip into a cold war with a German Caliphate.

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Ok so I might be completely retarded, but exactly why are we europeans doing this to ourselves?

Should we help refugees? Well I think so, set them up in a safe place and make sure they have food, clothes and basic medical care while the crisis is ongoing. But once that crisis is resolved, why are we setting them up with all the benefits that citizens have?

Why are we simply not saying "Oh guys, it has calmed down. Nice knowing you, hope you get back safely, now GTFO"? Giving someone shelter during a crisis is not the same as giving them social security, a new home, education and hope that they adopt the culture. You could house refugees in old army barracks, give them three meals a day in a messhall and make sure they have surplus army clothes to dress in and that should cover it. Where does this "we have to make them feel welcome and adapt to a multicultural world that integrates them into our society as well as give them all the benefits and even citizenship" bullshit come from?

There is no way in hell that the social security net that is the norm in the EU can absorb millions of people who will never pay a cent in taxes, it simply can not be done unless you want to cut back on everything.
 

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The reason our politicians are so fucking accomodating is because they figure importing a bunch of 20 year olds to work low class jobs is just as good as raising our own children, but far less expensive. Apparently they think that they can remain in power no matter how muslim the population under them is.

And the worst part is they might be right for a long time. All of the political energy the Muslims have shown so far was Erdogan support. There are very few politicians of Turkish descent and no party, even though they should have the voting power for one.

Maybe it's just the German bureaucracy protecting us.
 

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The reason our politicians are so fucking accomodating is because they figure importing a bunch of 20 year olds to work low class jobs is just as good as raising our own children, but far less expensive. Apparently they think that they can remain in power no matter how muslim the population under them is.

And the worst part is they might be right for a long time. All of the political energy the Muslims have shown so far was Erdogan support. There are very few politicians of Turkish descent and no party, even though they should have the voting power for one.

Maybe it's just the German bureaucracy protecting us.
When all the other parties are competing to pander to you, why bother? However, if that ever stops, gg.

So was surprised to find muslims were over 5% of the German population, though less than half are citizen's.

An estimate made in 2009 calculated that there are 4.3 million Muslims in Germany (5.4% of the population). Of these, 1.9 million are German citizens (2.4%).[3] As of 2006, about 15,000 Muslims are converts of ethnic German ancestry.[citation needed] According to the German statistical office 9.1% of all newborns in Germany had Muslim parents in 2005.[4]
 

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The reasons Europe is having this crisis are many.

1. Its not a place that ever had to deal with large numbers of immigrants before, well at least not since Atilla. There just isn't any experience in dealing with massive numbers of people from different cultures flooding in. They were able to quickly overwhelm the capacity, and European nations, not having any experience in this didn't even fully understand what their capacity was to assimilate in a fluid manner.

2. Europe has had a declining population for decades. Societies are downsizing structurally in anticipation of less people in the future. They haven't made long term infrastructure changes to be able to adapt to rapidly increasing population. There simply arent enough schools, housing, health care, police to deal with a sudden increase because 10 to 20 years ago, they were making decisions that would create less of this stuff. I.E. you don't plan to build more schools or hire more teachers when your kindergarten classes student numbers are declining year after year.

3. These people coming in are desperate, poor and products of broken, violent societies. Think about what life was like for a person growing up in Assads Syria. The lesson was that if you stepped out of line in the slightest bit, you would be arrested and tortured. Think of stories about dealing with foster kids rescued from horribly abusive families. They aren't good. These kids are fucked up, these people are fucked up. And now you put them into open free societies? Many can't make the transition and have no experience dealing with freedom.