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Here's what's actually happening in France (from an American in Paris)

It's important to note that the majority of protestors are middle aged, these are not college or university students, who make up the usual French protests. This is a grassroots protest. It's been reported anywhere from 50-80% of the French support the gilets jaunes. This is NOT just about taxes.

The protests began over the new taxes imposed by Macron's government on fuel. The taxes are viewed as punishing those who use cars and those who can't afford to buy newer ones. The French already pay heavy taxes on fuel, along with high tolls on highways. Every car in France is required to have 2 high visibility vests (gilets jaunes). The protestors began wearing those vests while protesting.

Along with this, the cost of living is incredibly high while salaries are painfully low, especially in larger cities like Paris. The myth of government-ordered 35 hour work weeks isn't the reality for most salaried French people. Taxes eat huge chunks of their money and the French are fed up with making the same amount in their salaries as those who don't work at all and rely on government assistance.

Parts of France are also filled with unassimilated migrants. These migrants get government assistance as well. A large part of the French are sick of paying for migrants when French people are suffering as well. There are areas that have stopped being culturally French and cities the French avoid for holidays because of the migrant problem.

In addition to this, retired people have been lodging their dissatisfaction with their retirement pensions (one woman in a video circulating around French Facebook confronts Macron about having to live off of 500€ a month) and Macron's reactions have been condescending across the board. He currently has about a 26% approval rating.

All of this started bubbling up a few weeks ago as the protests began with the gilets jaunes in November. The protests last weekend got violent. Statues at the Arc De Triomphe were broken; the Arc was defaced. In Marseille, an 80 year old woman was killed as she was closing her shutters. The police threw a tear gas canister at her window. While outside of larger cities, many police officers and firefighters are taking off their helmets and/or standing in solidarity with the gilets jaunes. There have been reports that they have also refused to shake Macron's hand and have turned their backs to government officials while serving in official capacities.

On Monday (December 2), there was a protest by the ambulances in Paris. They stood at Concorde with lights flashing and sirens sounding. Truck drivers have also showed their solidarity. They have also driven through Paris with lights flashing to show their dissatisfaction. Roads have been closed down by gilets jaunes and they are blocking access of oil in both ports and at stations. As of posting, over 650 stations are on a list of facing shortages or out of fuel. During yesterday's news cycle, many truck drivers were seen disrupting broadcasts by honking in solidarity with the gilets jaunes.

On Tuesday (December 3), the French government spoke about their plans for "appeasement" of the gilets jaunes. Their offer was to postpone the start date of 3 taxes (related to fuel). This offer has been scoffed at by the gilets jaunes, who have called it "crumbs" as the taxes haven't even been implemented yet and the offer does nothing to address the issues regarding cost of living.

Along with this, the French have begun demanding that Macron refuse to sign the UN Migration Act on December 10. This has begun appearing across the Facebook groups and events but has not been widely reported in the French media as far as I can tell.

This has culminated in everything from demands Macron step down to the creation of the 6th Republic. There are protests planned for Saturday across France. The protestors are calling the Paris protests ACT 4. They are quoting from the French National Anthem ("Aux Armes Citoyens") and planning to protest at Bastille. The medical community is also participating in the protests on Saturday.

TLDR: This is bigger than taxes. These aren't your usual French protests.
What's puzzling to me is why they don't understand that it's the leftist policies they continually voted for, and probably will still vote for, that got them in this mess.
 
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The stuff about "These migrants get government assistance as well. A large part of the French are sick of paying for migrants when French people are suffering as well " is a myth call by far right propaganda on several place (social media basically).
How are these migrants in France, the vast majority without jobs I assume, getting by without government assistance?
 

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What's puzzling to me is why they don't understand that it's the leftist policies they continually voted for, and probably will still vote for, that got them in this mess.
Well it's kind of like a cycle of not real socialism I guess. It requires a periodic reset before it falls completely the fuck apart again.

But I mean NATO is still dying, so I'm not sure that Europe can go left again after this soft reset. Maybe they can. You can have dual purpose armies. America has even done it in the past when things got tough.
 
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How are these migrants in France, the vast majority without jobs I assume, getting by without government assistance?
France doesn't have that many new migrants, and those aren't getting much from, if anything at all, that's true, but we have migrants that have been in France 10/20 years, or 2nd gen, 3rd gen migrants from black Africa / NAF, and those have about the same issue as the black in the US, very high unemployment, very high crime rate, very dependant on government subsidies.

As for the "leftist" policies that got us into this mess, it's not so much the welfare state, which isn't nearly what it used to be, but the radical left doing its very best to segregate these people out of the rest of the population. Communist managed cities provided nearly free housing for these people, who of course took on the offer, especialy as Mosque and Halal businesses were added to the deal. It created muslims ghetto, in which no sane people would want to work in (including police, teachers, doctors...) and much less live there. It turned a population that used to work, and was relatively even spread in France, into ghettos of government subsidies addicted people. Once a muslim family move there, it's over, they're out of the society for good : there's no opportunity in those area, education is dysfunctionnal, you can't get out of that shit. Al lthat is left is the mosque, the only place they can socialize.

Those far left socialist & communist really played a trick on both muslims & indigenous french just so that they can stay in power for 15 more years in some area. Now they're getting ousted anyway because muslims vote for their own, but they don't care as it's time to retire for those fuckers. Baby-boomers : the worst thing that ever happened to the western civilization, history will not be kind on the people born shortly after WWII.
 
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Not the food market of Rungis ! How will I have my foie gras this year ? Those monsters.

When half the population lives with less than 2k per month to live, adding a 0.5€ per liter tax was maybe not the smartest thing. Especially after the biggest companies in France increased their profit, and Mrs. Macron had a nice and sweet 20% raise in Salary for being there.
 

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The government is lowering taxes at an exponential rate. After cutting a bunch of shit on gas & electricity, increasing minimum wage, now they're allowing businesses to give an end year bonus free of tax. Not a bad move, it's actually that the people that are currently protesting will benefit from. Even though it's a one shot, but it could cool down a lot of people, especialy if it's followed by decreased taxes on work early next year.
 

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You're quite right, I'm sure people writing this fine book forgot to say that all people wearing Hugo Boss, using a perfume are nazi. Nazi to the right, nazi to the left, nazis everywhere. Anyone you don't like is a nazi. A racist, a white supremacist. Words have lost their meaning to a lot of people.

There more I think abou itt, the more I believe that the SJW puppeteers are either stupid or their end goal was conjuring a new Hitler all along.
 

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Jersey is just a properly named UK huh?


Fucking all these shires up on that hobbit bitch, @Chukzombi imagine living in Passaicshire and going to work in Hudsonshire?
Wow, do you think that they named parts of the US after places in England? It would be crazy if there was an "old" Jersey over here somewhere!
 
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You're quite right, I'm sure people writing this fine book forgot to say that all people wearing Hugo Boss, using a perfume are nazi. Nazi to the right, nazi to the left, nazis everywhere. Anyone you don't like is a nazi. A racist, a white supremacist. Words have lost their meaning to a lot of people.

There more I think abou itt, the more I believe that the SJW puppeteers are either stupid or their end goal was conjuring a new Hitler all along.
You forgot the Volkswagen drivers.

I heard the new models come with XXL ashtrays. Useful when going full gas.
 

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You forgot the Volkswagen drivers.

I heard the new models come with XXL ashtrays. Useful when going full gas.
So what you're saying is that there are more nazis in Germany now than in 1938. Seems legit.
 

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No I achtzually meant that some companies really made it big during WW2.

Bayer also had a growth spurt.
 

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Only 8K of them in Paris? Yeah I expect them to jump sides just so they dont get their asses kicked.