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TJT

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Frenzied Wombat Frenzied Wombat Has talked about similar behavior up in Canuckland Quebec.

People will tolerate substandard living just fine if they can sit around, play video games, watch TV not do shit, and have a sixer of beer everyday. Always.
 
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Sanrith Descartes

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I honestly cant grasp the concept. I retired at 50 and it was about a month before I realized I couldnt spend the next 30-ish years not working. I was financially good, but when your part-time hobbies become full-time pursuits they tend to be not as fun. Weber called it the Protestant work ethic, and I realized the guy was dead on. How the fuck do people go their entire lives unemployed?
 

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The problem France and the other Western European countries have, is that their solutions so far have consisted of taxing the working middle-class more and raising their retirement age.

Meanwhile there is a growing group of society that contributes nothing, but is left unchecked since its too much of a hassle to deal with them.

The northern part of Belgium (flemish, dutch speaking) has a long-term unemployment ratio of 1.2%. Meanwhile the southern part of Belgium (walloon, french speaking) has a 4.8% ratio. Given that it is a tiny country, there really is no explanation for this beyond the difference in mentality. Some people just feel they don't have to work, because "la douce France".

The obvious solution, once again, will be to tax the flemish more in order to sustain the french people that have been unemployed for over 20 years. We have federal laws that prevent the flemish majority from cutting the funding the walloons receive. The 60% flemish majority can't change these systems, even though they are funding them.

Dead end road.

What about the Flemish north breaking off to make their own country and/or joining Netherlands? Let the Walloons join France and fight with Algerians over who gets more food stamps.
 
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I imagine that France has similar pension funding issues to the rest of Europe. What is Macron going to do if he caves to not increasing the age to 64?
Nothing. The thing is, and why almost everyone is protesting, most of our pension system is balanced (or even more), save for a few: the general employee system and a handful of relics from mid-20th century (for instance, working in railways earns you a pension at 50 because working with smokestacks and coal is harmful for your health, and you shouldn't keep doing it. Nevermind that no train has been running on coal since before even the people going on retirement right now have been working).

But the proposed reform basically aligns everyone to the lowest/harshest version there is.

(I'm not complaining, mind you. One, I've got enough weird employment that the reform will give me more, for one, and two, I've been putting cash away to pad the pension once I retire in a decade, as everyone should have done)
 
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French are lazy fucks. They need a coherent pension reform badly. But then their politicians are elitist, corrupt pricks so good luck with that.
How can you say that! The President himself has said (about 10 days after the strike's beginning) that he would lose his pension system of 6000€/month, available immediately on the day he leaves the office regardless of age and further occupation (given his age, he's not going to retire).

That's not the sign of a corrupt prick. Maybe a tiny one. But definitively not corrupt. I'm sure he doesn't test positive for HIV, despite the pictures with handsome black males that make great memes of his office.
 

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Of course points value will differ depending on the age you retire, but we know how to compute that shit.
I was in a management seminar where we roleplayed the Pension Reform.

The teacher, after showing us every trick for a successful change management project, then said the 100 billion € question: "How does the actual reform compares"

One of his favorite conspiracy theories was that, given that there was no way the announced growth for the next year would match the actual one, they deliberately sabotaged the reform announce to cause strikes, so that they could claim "it's due to all those strikes" when facing the anemic growth numbers.
 
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I just mean that eventually you can't kick the can down the road anymore.
Haha yeah I knew what you meant, the problem with politics is it's all about this instant and moment, what can I do to get re-elected etc. Nobody is willing to accept short term pain for handling issues for the next few generations. There is no long term plans made for the betterment of a country looking ahead 50+ years. This is evident in the UK especially when it comes to infrastructure, power network, internet backbone etc.

We also had our pension age increased to 67 for Men, however the retirement age for women rose from 60 to 65 and will go up to 66 this year, and to 67 by 2028.

Women who were born in the 1950s claimed the rise is unfair because they were not given enough time to make adjustments to cope with years without a state pension, even though they were given decade+ notice and they could easily carry on working, as men have had too. A group even took it to court to argue the changes were discrimination (fucking LOL) but judges disagreed.
 

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What about the Flemish north breaking off to make their own country and/or joining Netherlands? Let the Walloons join France and fight with Algerians over who gets more food stamps.
The politicians in charge are payed well to ensure this doesn't happen.
 
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The politicians in charge are payed well to ensure this doesn't happen.
Then pull a Kosovo. Brussels supported the Albanians in doing that, so of course they would support the Flemish freedom fighters right???
 

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I honestly cant grasp the concept. I retired at 50 and it was about a month before I realized I couldnt spend the next 30-ish years not working. I was financially good, but when your part-time hobbies become full-time pursuits they tend to be not as fun. Weber called it the Protestant work ethic, and I realized the guy was dead on. How the fuck do people go their entire lives unemployed?
Henry Harpending spent 3 decades in Africa. He had never seen an African with a hobby.
 
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I honestly cant grasp the concept. I retired at 50 and it was about a month before I realized I couldnt spend the next 30-ish years not working. I was financially good, but when your part-time hobbies become full-time pursuits they tend to be not as fun. Weber called it the Protestant work ethic, and I realized the guy was dead on. How the fuck do people go their entire lives unemployed?
I guess that's what you're going to call them, if you haven't met people with a "confucianist work ethic".
 
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Yes, I think I ment more that its going to come into public light and the SJWs are going to start raising hell with business/network because they "hired a mostly white woman!" and demand diversity in the form of coal black pure african genes.

If you check out a lot of youtube videos from the ghetto/projects, its startling how everyone in the crowds and parking lots (or whatever) look straight from Zimbabwe, very little admixture. These people , or probably other people wanting to use them, will start to speak out.

Look at all the TV commercials, basically white people with a bit of frizz to their hair "representin" the brotherhood.
Easy solution? Replace the person doing the complaining with the H1B from Africa that will be 1) far more qualified, and 2) work 10x harder than they ever did on their best day.
 

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Facebook Glitch Reveals Greta Thunburg's Father Posting As Teenage Climate Activist
A Thursday evening software update at Facebook accidentally allowed anyone to view exactly who is posting under the accounts of public figures, businesses and other entities, according to Wired.

The result? For starters, some 3 million followers of teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg have been reading posts written by her father, Svante Thunberg, and a climate activist in India who serves as a delegate at the UN's Climate Change organization, Adarsh Prathap. Thunberg, Inc. claims Greta is still the one writing the content.

According to Facebook, the flaw was quickly fixed - but not before the people behind famous accounts were revealed and shared on public forums such as 4chan.

"We quickly fixed an issue where someone could see who edited or published a post on behalf of a Page when looking at its edit history," said the company in a statement. "We are grateful to the security researcher who alerted us to this issue."

"People who run sensitive Pages from their own Facebook should now consider that their identity may be known," said Lukasz Olejnik independent privacy adviser and Oxford University Center for Technology and Global Affairs. "While mistakes happen, this one is unexpected."
Danish ISIS fighter convicted in Spain worked for Danish intelligence
According to several sources who informed the paper, it was confirmed that Samsam was indeed recruited by the Danish intelligence services in December 2012 before being sent to Syria in February 2013. These assignments, in which he received up to 20,000 Kroner ($2,975) per month as well as military training, continued all the way up until late 2015, after which he was arrested by Spanish authorities on the Costa del Sol in 2017.

“I wanted to help prevent a terrorist attack in Denmark. I have a family that uses public transport, which is at high risk of being hit by terror,” he told the paper.

Samsam has said that Danish authorities were well aware of his travels and assignments to Syria, and that they had guaranteed that he would not be punished upon his return. The subsequent arrest of Samsam has therefore reportedly angered some in Denmark due to the country not having immediately informed Spain of his case.

The case comes amid increasing debate over the transfer of imprisoned Daesh fighters back to their home countries which they left, with many reportedly being regretful of joining the group and wanting to return following the military defeat of the group over the past two years.
 

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Then pull a Kosovo. Brussels supported the Albanians in doing that, so of course they would support the Flemish freedom fighters right???
Europe has already proven it won't support states that want to separate.

Catalonia, after a democratic referendum, tried to separate from Spain. Spain imprisoned the leading Catalan politicians, those that fled were labelled criminals and put on wanted lists.

Europe does nothing, despite the democracy being shat on one of its member-states. It is considered "an internal matter of Spain".

Much like Flanders, Catalonia is a wealthy yet relatively small area, that gets to see most of its money poof supporting socialism.
 

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Europe has already proven it won't support states that want to separate.

Catalonia, after a democratic referendum, tried to separate from Spain. Spain imprisoned the leading Catalan politicians, those that fled were labelled criminals and put on wanted lists.

Europe does nothing, despite the democracy being shat on one of its member-states. It is considered "an internal matter of Spain".

Much like Flanders, Catalonia is a wealthy yet relatively small area, that gets to see most of its money poof supporting socialism.
For the many not the few amirite?
 

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So we like on the 2-week countdown to Brexit. Anything new and exciting? Are they digging the mass graves yet for all the peeps who die of starvation? Are they bringing in new fleets of planes for the millions of remainers who vowed to evacuate the UK if they pulled Brexit off?
 
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So we like on the 2-week countdown to Brexit. Anything new and exciting? Are they digging the mass graves yet for all the peeps who die of starvation? Are they bringing in new fleets of planes for the millions of remainers who vowed to evacuate the UK if they pulled Brexit off?
They were going to, but now there are concerns Iran will shoot them down.