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Pretty interested in getting one, anyone have feedback on something they like or hate? Ideally wireless / bluetooth would be best as I dont want to hardwire stuff if I can help it. Looking for something midrange for a 3000ish sq ft house.

Stuff in the range of SimpliSafe / Nest looks pretty good, but I dont see much negative reviews or how problematic the stuff is. Ideally looking at a camera or two, glass-break sensor, window / door sensors and maybe motion lights for outside

Something I can setup and install myself would be great, Im ok with the subscription services that monitor it (I think).

Thanks in advance
 

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Pretty interested in getting one, anyone have feedback on something they like or hate? Ideally wireless / bluetooth would be best as I dont want to hardwire stuff if I can help it. Looking for something midrange for a 3000ish sq ft house.

Stuff in the range of SimpliSafe / Nest looks pretty good, but I dont see much negative reviews or how problematic the stuff is. Ideally looking at a camera or two, glass-break sensor, window / door sensors and maybe motion lights for outside

Something I can setup and install myself would be great, Im ok with the subscription services that monitor it (I think).

Thanks in advance

I'm evaluating a SimpliSafe system. The hardware seems first rate. The Ring system that I looked at compares with the older SimpliSafe Gen2 stuff. The newer SimpliSafe Gen3 seems pretty sophisticated. There are also all the different sensors like entry, motion, broken glass, water, fire, key fob etc. The Ring system is not as comprehensive.

It was very simple to install, but if I keep it, I've got a lot more sensors to purchase. I bought the keypad, base station and 3 entry sensors and an indoor camera (free as a promo) for a little over $200. I'll be close to $450-$500 when I'm done. Lots of windows to protect and backup with broken glass sensors. I'm not going to get motion detectors. I have 2 cats that are everywhere. Everything installed and paired up without a hitch. Very impressed with that part. All the parts are unobtrusive and attractive. All are wireless.

Now the bad. The manual is worthless and doesn't go beyond the basics of mounting sensors and getting them paired up with the base station. The system is highly customizable with each sensor having multiple parameters you can adjust but you'd never know it by reading the manual or visiting the website. You'd also never know that the very good indoor camera, the doorbell camera and the soon to be announced outside camera are worthless without paying $25/month for monitoring. The cameras will only operate live and not store any footage without a monitoring plan. You also need that plan to have Alexa work with the system. Really pisses me off that I have to pay extra to have a device I own talk to another device I own over a network I own.

I originally wanted no monitoring because I'm cheap. SimpliSafe makes an auxiliary siren that squeals at 105db. I thought one of those inside and one outside would make anyone leave pronto. But without paying $25/month, I lose all the bells and whistles including a functioning iPhone app that would let me remote control things, Alexa integration and camera functionality. Very disappointed.

On the other hand, a similarly functioning ADT plan would be almost twice that a month and I'd have to sign a 3 year contract. So I'm torn. I'm not familiar with the Nest or others out there but I looked at the Ring because their plan is only $10/month. But their equipment is yesterdays news except for their camera which look first rate and the system (I believe, not real sure) requires I use ATT cellular. I have Verizon and SimpliSafe uses their own connection. Maybe someone will correct me.

If I've left anything out, let me know.
 

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excellent info

I thought I had read that the motion sensors had a setting where something under 50ish pounds would not trigger it and it also had less sensitivity on the ground (basically to avoid smaller pets)

sometimes the motion sensitivity on the cameras and sensors can be really picky though. We put CloudCams at the wifes workplace and even on the lowest sensitivity setting things like headlights shining in windows, shadows on the wall or cars driving by the street outside could cause it to record a session, which was causing tons of 5-10 second clips being saved so we had to get really precise with the blocked zones

I think for their external and internal cameras you would want the ability to block out certain high traffic areas (windows especially) or really dial down the sensitivity, which would probably require the app (which means the 25 dollar per month plan). Something I will have to look into to see if they offer. I had read that the SimpliSafe cameras used heat detection to only record on humans (and not pets they said) although it might have trouble with large dogs I would think.
 

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in the home improvement thread i posted about setting up my wired system


i have two closets for the master bedroom, so this was fine, i've since added two more cams and moved my router/modem over and wiring up the place w/ cat6

it's pretty clear at 720p, nitevision is a little iffy, and also there are like 10 red leds on the front of the cam for it, not bright tho. The cams are powered by whats called spoe, something something power over ethernet, just one cable you have to route, micro usb (at the cam) to ethernet, so you don't have to go crazy trying to find a way to power it up.

This is of course just video surveilance tho, it should be in addition to a security system, but i'm sure those ADT systems are some cheap ass pieces of junk. With just these cams i can see the license plate on a car parked on the st.

i went wired b/c i didn't want my wireless clogged up w/ 8 cams sending imgs and shit, sure it was annoying routing wires, but the system works nice, you can control it either throught he main console (i just have an old lcd attached) and mouse (i have an old trackball) or use the app.

the system i got does NOT have mandatory cloud subscription, i'm running everything off hd (again old 1.5tb), when i'm away from home and i get an alert, it'll show me that exact clip of what triggered it (from my hd).

I have no idea why anyone needs cloud subscription, it makes no sense, and just seems like a way to milk you for money that a 1tb hd could take care of.
 

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excellent info

I thought I had read that the motion sensors had a setting where something under 50ish pounds would not trigger it and it also had less sensitivity on the ground (basically to avoid smaller pets)

sometimes the motion sensitivity on the cameras and sensors can be really picky though. We put CloudCams at the wifes workplace and even on the lowest sensitivity setting things like headlights shining in windows, shadows on the wall or cars driving by the street outside could cause it to record a session, which was causing tons of 5-10 second clips being saved so we had to get really precise with the blocked zones

I think for their external and internal cameras you would want the ability to block out certain high traffic areas (windows especially) or really dial down the sensitivity, which would probably require the app (which means the 25 dollar per month plan). Something I will have to look into to see if they offer. I had read that the SimpliSafe cameras used heat detection to only record on humans (and not pets they said) although it might have trouble with large dogs I would think.
SimpliSafe does suggest different mounting positions for different size pets but I still don't trust them, the motion sensors, that is. Many moons ago I had an ADT system in a different house and the cats set it off a couple of times. I understand things have improved, but I'm installing a security system so I can leave the house and have peace of mind. I'd always be worried about a false alarm with the sensors.

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SimpliSafe does suggest different mounting positions for different size pets but I still don't trust them, the motion sensors, that is. Many moons ago I had an ADT system in a different house and the cats set it off a couple of times. I understand things have improved, but I'm installing a security system so I can leave the house and have peace of mind. I'd always be worried about a false alarm with the sensors.

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i mean tbh, interior video monitoring is kinda silly, sure it's good to have, i have the major garage/living room areas covered, but as long as you have your 4 sides of your house covered and unless they're santa clause, you'd get an external alert before you see someone lurking inside your home.

and yea, false alerts are annoying, i'm having to adjust milimeters to make sure the cams don't have tree limbs in view, b/c a strong 5s wind moves the leaves enough to trigger an event.
 
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I looked at Simplisafe but honestly any 2nd tier alarm security company (basically anybody but ADT) charges roughly $35/month with free equipment if you sign a 3 year contract. Considering the contract is transferable either to the new homeowner, or can be transferred to your new home, I don't see the contract being an issue.

I basically asked myself whether it was worth saving $10 a month for a system I will have to install and maintain myself, and I decided no.

If you don't care about an actual alarm that calls dispatches police, there are a ton of camera products out there like Ring/Nest.