Kurt Cobain was murdered (probably).

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Screwing around on the internet today I looked down a twenty year old rabbit hole and found an interesting conspiracy theory.

Grab your tinfoil hats, gentleman. You're in for a wild ride.

The basics: cobaincase.

The facts and just the facts. The following is well documented and undisputed by Courtney Love and those involved. Despite several threats over the last twenty years to sue Tom Grant (the private investigator Love hired in step 15), no lawsuit has ever been filed.
1. A month before his death, Cobain gets sick on a tour in Europe and ends up in Rome for treatment. Courtney flies out. Cobain and Courtney have a fight. Cobain withdraws all of his money and prepares to run. He writes her a letter she describes as: "He claims he was leaving me." before Cobain's death and after his death as: "A suicide note."
2. That night Cobain overdoses on heroin, doctors save his life. No one at the time claims it was a suicide attempt. Cobain denied it was a suicide attempt. Cobain's record label maintains it was not a suicide attempt. Courtney insisted that it was only AFTER his death.
3. A few days later after another fight, Love calls the police to report Cobain for domestic violence and tells the police that Cobain's threatening to kill himself. The police officers confiscate four weapons from Cobain, despite Cobain insisting he wasn't suicidal and that Love was lying.
4. Courtney calls her and Cobain's Lawyer and wants the "Meanest, nastiest divorce Lawyer (she) can get".
5. Cobain decides to pull out of the Lalapalooza music festival which Nirvana was scheduled to headline for 9 or 10 million dollars.
6. Cobain contacts the shared Lawyer, requesting he change the will he's working on to remove Love from it entirely.
6. Cobain writes a second letter (later claimed by police as a suicide letter).
7. Cobain has a friend buy him a shotgun because "Strange people have been casing my house and I want something to protect myself with."
8. Courtney stages an intervention, and convinces Cobain to go to a rehab center in Los Angeles.
9. Cobain enters rehab.
10. Courtney calls the rehab center 14 times on the first day to speak with Cobain.
11. At the end of the first day, Cobain climbs over a brick wall and leaves the Rehab center. Cobain flies back to Seattle with three credit cards and some cash.
12. Love receives a call from her live-in Nanny, "Cali", that Cobain was in Seattle at one of their residences (the house he was found dead in).
13. Love contacts the credit card agencies and claims that Cobain's wallet was stolen and that the credit cards need to be deactivated to prevent fraud.
14. Love releases a false statement to the media that she's been hospitalized for a drug overdose, she later admits this is a ploy to get Cobain to try and contact her.
15. Love hires Tom Grant, a private investigator, to track down Cobain. Love does not tell him that "Cali" saw Cobain at the house in Seattle. This is the first of many deliberate lies and logical inconsistencies Love demonstrates.
16. Grant quickly realizes Love is out of her mind, sees several red flags, and begins to record every conversation he was with her and anyone else involved.
17. Grant sub-contracts private investigators in Seattle to follow bogus leads that Courtney gives him (detailed further in the above links).
18. Love leaks a story to the media that she has a suicide pact with Cobain. Love leaks another fake story about her suffering another drug overdose.
19. Love and Cobain's Lawyer overhears Love tell Cobain's friend, who's trying to find him in Seattle, to check the primary residence and "Also, don't forget to check the greenhouse above the garage".
20. Love schedules an alarm system to be installed at the primary residence, a technician is scheduled to do so in three days.
21. Grant arrives in Seattle, meets with a close friend of Cobain who bought the shotgun for Cobain before Cobain entered rehab. Grant questions the friend, realizes Love has been feeding him false leads, and asks the friend to take him to both of Cobain's residences in the Seattle area.
22. Grant and Cobain's Friend check out the house where Cali had seen Cobain the day before (Grant and Cobain's friend are still unaware of this). They find the house "Cleaner than it's ever been" according to the friend. One of the beds has been slept in ("Cali's"). They search the house for drugs and any sign of Cobain, but they don't find him. They do find a cache of medication to help heroin withdrawal. They do not check the green house above the garage. The friend does not mention there is a green house above the garage.
23. Grant and Cobain's Friend try to search the other residence, but the friend get's lost on the way. They agree to continue searching the next day.
24. Grant informs Love of what's he's found at the primary residence and requests to speak with "Cali". Love tells Grant that "Cali" just left Seattle the day before to go to a drug rehab clinic, and that she's upset with "Cali" because he took his girlfriend with him.
25. Grant requests that Love come up to Seattle to help look for Cobain. She declines, because she wants to be in LA for the release of her next Hole album (which launched 12 days after Cobain was found dead).
26. Love mentions what great publicity she'll receive if the media "finds out Kurt ran off with another woman. Or they find him dead. That'll bump album sales."
27. Grant and Cobain's friend return to the primary residence. They find a note on the stairs, supposedly written by "Cali", telling Cobain that he's an asshole for not letting Love know he was in Seattle. Grant finds this letter suspicious, and copies it, and has writing in the letter tested to see who's it is.
28. Grant and Cobain's friend leave the residence a second time without checking the greenhouse, the friend does not mention the green houses existence.
29. The alarm technician hired by love to install the security system finds Cobain's body.
30. Seattle Police Detectives open and shut the case on the same day, declaring it a suicide. They do not check the shotgun for fingerprints. They do not request a toxicology report. They find a heroin kit, a "suicide note", and a shotgun. They find some petty cash and two credit cards.
31. Grant learns of the death on the radio while driving around Seattle looking for Cobain with Cobain's friend. The media declares it a suicide.
32. Grant continues his investigation. Grant learns from the Lawyer about the history of divorce and marital problems, they share information and they both think there's suspicious goings-on.
33. Grant continues the investigation. He learns that Cobain's missing credit card was still being used on the day that Cobain's death was announced. Despite the fact the Cobain had been dead the last three days, according to the autopsy.
34. Grant provides all of his information to the Seattle Police Department, and his suspicion that there was foul play involved. They tell him they see no reason to re-open the investigation.
35. Grant informs Love in writing that he's going to continue investigating the death, but will no longer be charging her. He also informs Love that in the course of his investigation he surpassed his retainer, but that he will not bill her for the overages.
36. Loves new Hole Album is released, and receives a bump in sales from Cobain's death. Cobain died without a finalized will, and without a finalized divorce, leaving a 20+ million dollar estate all to Love.
37. Grant continues to investigate the death, pro bono, and Courtney continues to offer Grant work. He accepts this work for access to Love and the inner circle, despite the fact that it's clear this is busy work intended to distract him. She attempts to charm her way into his Grants good graces like she does with everyone else.
38. Grant eventually asks Love for copies of the "Suicide" Letter as well as the Rome letter. He receives copies of the "Suicide Letter", and has two separate analysts check it out. They both come back that the letter was written at two separate times at least several weeks apart. Further, they determine the newer writing (the first and last parts) were not written by Cobain. Love tells Grant that she burned the Rome letter on advice from Seattle Police Department Sgt. Donald Cameron because publishing it "would not help her case."
39. Fingerprints are taken from the shotgun, but no valid fingerprints are found. Toxicology reports come back showing that Cobain had a 3x Lethal dose of heroin in his system. Even if he hadn't shot himself there was no way he would survive. Strangely, that dose of heroin would also have knocked him unconscious within a few seconds, and made operating a shotgun damn near impossible. The shotgun shell is found across the room, too far to have been ejected by the shotgun given the angle it was used at.

Long read. Make up your own mind. Some fun extras:

40. Kristen Pfaff, bassist for Hole and friend of Love and Cobain, decides to end her friendship with Love and leave Hole a few months after Cobain's death. The night before her departure, she is found dead under mysterious circumstances.
41. (Allegedly) Two Months prior to Cobain's death, Love approached El Duce and (Allegedly) offered him 50,000 dollars to kill Cobain "because my husbands acting like an asshole". FACT: Two years after talking about this claim in media outlets, and two days after this interview where he drunkenly names "Allen" (Wrench) as the real killer, El Duce is found dead from "misadventure" (killed on train tracks, not the first nor the last coincidental death in this story).
42. Sgt. Donald Cameron retires early in disgrace during a police investigation involving him allegedly planting evidence at a crime scene.

 
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pharmakos

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Kurt Cobain was murdered
And no one seems to care
Kurt Cobain was murdered
And no one seems to care

He was shot in the head
Never wanted to be dead
But now it is said
He brought his own end

Kurt Cobain was murdered
And no one seems to care
 

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I've always said and believe Courtney killed him.
 

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Is this thread up cuz his spawn child decided she could sing, maybe?
032216-courtney-love-frances-bean-cobain.jpg
 

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Who cares? Nirvana was overrated
 

pharmakos

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Best thing Nirvana did was that unplugged set, and the best songs there were covers.

Also, Courtney is looking fucking freaky these days.
 

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Kurt was absolutely murdered....best thing to ever happen to Dave Grohl
 

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Kurt was absolutely murdered....best thing to ever happen to Dave Grohl
are you implying that w/ advanced future knowledge Grohl happily assisted in this endeavor?

from being hidden behind a drum set on mtv unplugged to singing at the oscars 20+ years later?
dave-grohl-435.jpg
 

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are you implying that w/ advanced future knowledge Grohl happily assisted in this endeavor?

from being hidden behind a drum set on mtv unplugged to singing at the oscars 20+ years later?
dave-grohl-435.jpg

No I didn't say Dave grohl had anything to do with it. It was likely some drug scumbag Courtney was fucking around with.. But Dave Grohl couldn't have got out of Nirvana and made arguably better career without that turn of fate.
 

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No I didn't say Dave grohl had anything to do with it. It was likely some drug scumbag Courtney was fucking around with.. But Dave Grohl couldn't have got out of Nirvana and made arguably better career without that turn of fate.
oh yea def Grohl's fate and career went leaps and bounds, checked on what krist novoselic, was up to, not much, played Bass here and there one song for foo fighters, finished a social science degree
 

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Cobain was self destructing for certain. I doubt Love actually killed him, but it would not surprise me at all if she fucked with evidence to ensure that she inherited his estate.
 

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Best thing Nirvana did was that unplugged set, and the best songs there were covers.

Also, Courtney is looking fucking freaky these days.
Courtney has always been a fucking hag and I think she probably had something to do with it. I also don't give a shit about Nirvana. They were one of my least favorite grunge bands.
 

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Courtney has always been a fucking hag.
She and Cobain were together because they both fucking loved heroin, and Kurt was a severe depressive who was easily manipulated. In short, he was a musician.
 

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oh yea def Grohl's fate and career went leaps and bounds, checked on what krist novoselic, was up to, not much, played Bass here and there one song for foo fighters, finished a social science degree

So he did the thing every bass player has ever done and went to the mists of obscurity and lived an actual life. Good for him
 

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So he did the thing every bass player has ever done and went to the mists of obscurity and lived an actual life. Good for him
Hey now. Flea went on to become a nihilist in Big Lebowski. Not all bassists fade away. ;)
 

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Hey now. Flea went on to become a nihilist in Big Lebowski. Not all bassists fade away. ;)

I am not saying its a bad thing. You make a ton of money. Enough to live life well and nobody fucks with you for the rest of your life.
 

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I never knew what a total pussy Cobain was until I saw that HBO documentary. Dude makes Eddie Vedder look like Axl Rose.
 

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oh not this again.