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America is fascist?

The commies in Russia had the exact same misunderstanding that the nazis in Germany had. Well, several in fact but one in particular and that is that both sides see themselves as the 'cure' or 'antithesis' to the other side. That fascism must exists to ward off communism and that communism must exist to ward off fascism (which the Leninists see as a merely new form of capitalism).

The two ideologies are opposite in the sense that one side are absolute biological determinists and the other side are absolute sociological determinists. But what do you do when neither of those determinist propositions are entirely true? What if the answer is that neither biology nor sociology alone can account for the personality or fate of anyone? It doesn't appear to be a 90/10 10/90 split either. It's much closer to 50/50 than either Lenin or Hitler thought. There is a third option.

The Liberals/Libertarians. They built modernism over the course of centuries on the principles of the sovereign individual. Statists and totalitarian NPCs from the extremes of the Left and the Right are just fighting over the scraps left behind by the liberated individualists. Christian or otherwise. White or otherwise. Male or otherwise.
Hopefully liberals can incorporate biological determinism. The ever increasing quantity of biological NPCs is already eroding the quality of liberal governance.
 

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Hopefully liberals can incorporate biological determinism. The ever increasing quantity of biological NPCs is already eroding the quality of liberal governance.
Fair enough C-A, but "hopefully radical rightists can incorporate sociological determinism". You know what I mean?

The answer is that we individual humans are both biologically and sociologically determined. Not simply all one or all the other.
 

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It's not impossible to incorporate. You have to become very specific about your terms though. There isn't room for inexactness.

It is HARD to incorporate, because you do have to abandon certain groupings and ideas which are contextually useful and which seem both intuitive and obvious but which become counter productive when you're being forced to deal with terms so specific.

That's not new though. That's been a very real struggle since the Enlightenment. It is THE struggle that keeps appearing in different forms with every new discovery or major innovation.

There are limits to empiric objectivism. They're very deep limits but they do exist.
 
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Fair enough C-A. but hopefully radical rightists can incorporate sociological determinism. You know what I mean?

The answer is that we individual humans are both biologically and sociologically determined. Not simply all one or all the other.
Not everyone. Fully NPC subjects are 100% biological, thinking causes them pain or discomfort. Excluding the meme of NPCs and politics, I can still locate millions of examples.

Just ask your local dealers and pharmacists about their clientele. Show me addicts that get wasted and don't read. They act cool and easy going until there's a thinking situation, suddenly they go 0-60 with violence because thinking hurts. Show me the drain on your overburdened systems. A horrifying number of people can not think for themselves and are only alive because consequences are insufficient.

Their numbers were a luxury and can no longer be safely sustained. Thanks to communication technology, they are 100% going to act on behalf of totalitarian babysitter political parties. Every NPC has a smart phone, even the refugees; I bet George Soros says that at meetings.
 
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Fair enough C-A, but "hopefully radical rightists can incorporate sociological determinism". You know what I mean?

The answer is that we individual humans are both biologically and sociologically determined. Not simply all one or all the other.
That's the point where I tend to remind people of the laws of behavioral genetics, notably the fact that (on all traits examined so far, meaning it's the null hypothesis now) shared environment (familial, geographical and social) has less of an impact than genetic inheritance.

All traits, from agressivity to IQ ro risk taking to empathy, have three sources: genes, shared environment and random individual variation. The only question is how much, in %, all three are for a given trait (and the fact that genes always seem to be > to shared). IQ, for instance, is 80% genetic at adulthood, and very low in shared.

This means you CAN use culture, education, and other factors to alter and improve outcomes... but those have an effectiveness ceiling that is, often, quite low. But since those are the only variables we can tweak (barring massive improvements in CRISPR-CAS12), they're the only way you can work. It's just that you shouldn't overcommit resources when you fail to achieve the desired results, because at one point, you're going against the genes, and you won't win.
 

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Some asian (old) news:

World is failing newborn babies

Despite not being at war, supposedly not being too underdevelopped, and having nuclear weapons... Pakistan is the country with the highest newborn deaths... (with his neighbor Afghanistan being 3rd)
 

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Some asian (old) news:

World is failing newborn babies

Despite not being at war, supposedly not being too underdevelopped, and having nuclear weapons... Pakistan is the country with the highest newborn deaths... (with his neighbor Afghanistan being 3rd)
Ctrl F. "Consanguinity".... "Inbreed"....


Great detective work guys. It's because they fuck their sisters and cousins. The world isn't failing them. A very specific two persons are doing it.
 

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Mohammad Yunis, a journalist who reached the site minutes later, told Reuters he saw blood and body parts scattered along a 100-meter stretch of the main highway running through the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. Indian forces have sporadically battled Islamic terrorists in mountainous Kashmir since an armed revolt in 1989 in which tens of thousands were killed, but car bombings are rare.

The Indian foreign ministry accused the Pakistani government of giving the terrorist group Jaish a free run in Pakistan, saying it has allowed the group’s leader, Masood Azhar, “to operate and expand his terror infrastructure in territories under the control of Pakistan and to carry out attacks in India and elsewhere with impunity.”
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