The Antifa Thread

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Antifa got smoked again last night. This time in New York.

These were the "white supremacists" that these antifa cucks were fighting:



The antifaggots? All white, of course.

 
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Antifa got smoked again last night. This time in New York.

These where the "white supremacists" that these antifa cucks were fighting:



The antifaggots? All white, of course.

It's like a scene from The Wanderers where there are gangs made up of various stereotypes.


We just need the greasers to become a thing again and we're good to go
 

iannis

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Well I don't know that Sam Harris and a few percent of outrage boycott is a MAJOR hit. But it's a hit.

They need a major hit to self correct. They got too big too fast and are obviously not able to handle the social responsibility that comes with the position.

and they have to be hit in the money to prove to them that unless it's the IRS complaining, it is in their financial interest to not listen.
 

iannis

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Even if they winnow down to be a progspeak bank, they will still be a successful business. What they are not and should not be allowed to be or become is a monopoly.

the banning are bad enough. The direct attack on competitors is much worse though.

they do have a right to not take your money. They do not have the right to assert that position globally.
 

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they do have a right to not take your money. They do not have the right to assert that position globally.
They shouldn't though as they aren't actually the ones taking the money, they're just a middleman. Anything that functions as a means of transferring money from one entity to another should be forced to not discriminate outside of legally mandated things such as sanctions/known criminal money and the like. Anything less just leads to this unpersoning bullshit we're seeing.
 

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They're just providing a service is all.

They must be granted the right of refusal. If only as a practicality. Just think about money laundering. That right of refusal is why it's so important that they are either strictly regulated (which I would say is probably sub-optimal) or not allowed to become a monopoly.

All money transfer services that i'm aware of have that right of refusal. And pretty much for that exact reason. It's a consumer protection in many cases.

Granted, the internet blurs some lines. I'd say those lines are being blurred because of the ubiquity of Patreon though. With competition, honestly, the entire issue goes away. I'd say competition is a more positive force than blunt administrative oversight (which will also be just as prone to this kind of political corruption, it will just be less transparent).

Edit: The more I think about it the more I think it might actually be a difference in perspective between American ideas of the market and European ideas of the market. Kind of another reason that there needs to be competition in these things rather than strict top down regulation. Competition will allow providers to find their market, which (I think) is what you want to happen. Regulation of speech through patreon funding (even well intentioned) will lead to an excessively divisive political argument which inhibits service of the individual (again, that's just my leaning). European socialism probably DOES function like that though. Well, we kinda know that it does in some areas. And it works sometimes too. American capitalism is not flawless itself. It's not a good/evil right/wrong sort of argument. But once you start linking people's ability to speak into it it'll inevitably become that. Which is, to my observation, exactly the issue that patreon is highlighting with their derp.
 
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The competition aspect can't even be approached until the issue with Paypal being the only real game in town when it comes to easy online money transfers is addressed. Anyone looking to compete with patreon by pulling in the right leaning crowd is going to start handicapped by paypal inevitably telling them to get bent.

That aside, I still stand by my opinion. Any business that provides any service of any kind should not have the right to discriminate who they offer their services to outside of legally mandated reasons, and in-contact conflict with the entity seeking use of that service. This garbage with treating businesses as people needs to go. You're entering into societal realms with your business and need to act as a part of it, which includes providing your offered services to every single person within that society. I don't care if it's someone trying to censor nazis or not bake a gay wedding cake. The opposite of this is the "just start your own platform!" bullshit that completely abandons context and reason for ideological fanaticism.
 

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Didn't those lunatics get classified as a terrorist group a while back?

That alone should put the brakes to any comparison to wwii allies. Let alone to consider basically everything they do between getting up in the morning and going to bed at night.