The Cops That Suck at Their Job and Go on Paid Leave Thread

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Is it normal for bars to be open at 4am? I thought last call / close was 1-1:30am
 

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Is it normal for bars to be open at 4am? I thought last call / close was 1-1:30am
I believe that is in Cook County. So yes normal.
 

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Is it normal for bars to be open at 4am? I thought last call / close was 1-1:30am
2am here except for the French Quarter where bars don't close except day after Mardi Gras when they sweep all the crap out and then it's a religious day, Ash Wed.
 

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Firearm was legal, try again.
Earlier I read they claimed the guy had a FOID but not a concealed carry permit. They're going to find a way to cover themselves one way or another.
 

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Even if that was an issue, did that really play a role in him getting shot?

"Officers, wait a second! Let us scan his image into our police-o-tron database to see if he has the proper permits!!!!"

They reacted badly and shot him almost immediately because they assumed he was the shooter. There is this big cognitive dissonance where on the one hand, gun rights folks are saying everyone should be armed to prevent mass shootings, then someone who had the gun to stop the shooter themselves gets shot and suddenly it devolves into "well...he didn't have the permit required under section 40234.23013!! It's his own fault!!!!"
 

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"They" in the they claimed was the Chicago police or whatever it was he was at.
 

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Was in any kind of uniform? Showing he was security? Something to clearly show he was a security officer?

Makes a difference. Maybe I missed it.
 

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Was in any kind of uniform? Showing he was security? Something to clearly show he was a security officer?

Makes a difference. Maybe I missed it.
No, it hasn't said anywhere i've seen. Waiting for actual info before grabbing my pitchfork.
 

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Read he had a security vest on, but seems like an unfortunate event to me. I'd like to see any footage they have, did the cop at any point say anything or just flat out come out shooting?
 

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Even if that was an issue, did that really play a role in him getting shot?

"Officers, wait a second! Let us scan his image into our police-o-tron database to see if he has the proper permits!!!!"

They reacted badly and shot him almost immediately because they assumed he was the shooter. There is this big cognitive dissonance where on the one hand, gun rights folks are saying everyone should be armed to prevent mass shootings, then someone who had the gun to stop the shooter themselves gets shot and suddenly it devolves into "well...he didn't have the permit required under section 40234.23013!! It's his own fault!!!!"
I'm gonna go ahead and say him having a gun played a role. You're also assuming a lot based on the little info that's out there.

Also curious why security has a gun, but apparently no handcuffs. Holding someone at gun point is not a long term solution and not something you should plan to do until police arrive. There could have been legitimate reasons for that, who knows.

Taking a strong stance on something where very few details have been released and filling in the blanks with uneducated opinions makes you look retarded.
 

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I'm gonna go ahead and say him having a gun played a role. You're also assuming a lot based on the little info that's out there.

Also curious why security has a gun, but apparently no handcuffs. Holding someone at gun point is not a long term solution and not something you should plan to do until police arrive. There could have been legitimate reasons for that, who knows.

Taking a strong stance on something where very few details have been released and filling in the blanks with uneducated opinions makes you look retarded.
I’m not taking a strong stance, I am mostly shitting on the “lul arm everyone and everything is safe” crowd because this type of shit is what can happen when you have non-professionals playing the hero role.
 

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Just read another article, guy who got shot was working on becoming a cop. crazy.
 

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I’m not taking a strong stance, I am mostly shitting on the “lul arm everyone and everything is safe” crowd because this type of shit is what can happen when you have non-professionals playing the hero role.
Well, at worst this would be a wash since the actual shooter was prevented from killing anyone.

Don't think anyone makes an "arm everyone and nobody will die ever" argument. It is a lot harder to take out 20 people when other people can fight back, though, instead of being helplessly slaughtered.
 

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Also curious why security has a gun, but apparently no handcuffs
Because he probably wasn't a "security guard". Most likely scenario is that he was a bouncer who was killed while committing a felony (unlawful use of a weapon).

Just read another article, guy who got shot was working on becoming a cop. crazy.
What exactly is there to work on, aside from 'dont illegally carry a firearm and use it to commit a felony'
 

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Because he probably wasn't a "security guard". Most likely scenario is that he was a bouncer who was killed while committing a felony (unlawful use of a weapon).



What exactly is there to work on, aside from 'dont illegally carry a firearm and use it to commit a felony'
now imagine if the bouncer was white.
 

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I couldn't find raw footage but this is a video of a black guy using a firearm in self defense and no charges were filed against him -


After the shooting when things look clear he has the waitress call the police, puts his gun on the counter and then lays on the floor with his hands out until the police arrive. I'm a honky but I think I'd do the same thing if I had just used a gun in any capacity and the police were on the way.
 

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now imagine if the bouncer was white.
Tricky, seeing as how white people are less likely to be stupid enough to illegally bring a firearm to their bouncer job and then use it to commit a felony
 

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I couldn't find raw footage but this is a video of a black guy using a firearm in self defense and no charges were filed against him -


After the shooting when things look clear he has the waitress call the police, puts his gun on the counter and then lays on the floor with his hands out until the police arrive. I'm a honky but I think I'd do the same thing if I had just used a gun in any capacity and the police were on the way.
In a situation like that, you typically get several people calling 911 with different versions of what happened that are all over the place. Someone's almost guaranteed to have called saying there's an "active shooter" while not understanding what that actually means. Maybe 1 person says the black guy was attacked first, while someone says he thinks the black guy just tried to rob the place and shot someone and a caller or two outside just heard gunshots and saw people running away.

So unless you're in a police uniform, you do not want to be pointing a gun at someone in that situation. The officer either risks the guys life who has a gun to their head or the guy holding the gun. If he waits, and the guy shoots the other guy he's villified. If he shoots the guy with the gun and it turns out he's innocent, he's villified. Best thing to do is be like the guy in the video and dont make them have to make that choice.