The Cops That Suck at Their Job and Go on Paid Leave Thread

[Lanx]

here just watch the officer cam and not the stupid news
RAW VIDEO: Body cam video of incident involving Glendale PD

he's moving his hands and reaching around, he's just asking for a jolt

obviously, the cops are low level popo, somehow, the wife was able to club one of the officers to sleep w/ a water bottle, so thats why the officers decided to taze the guy extra.

 

[Arbitrary]

I get why he got the juice and I'm not saying it was wrong to light him up but the cops didn't do a great job either. That dude barely had any idea what was going on and didn't get much in the way of instructions.

 

[Hosix]

here just watch the officer cam and not the stupid news
RAW VIDEO: Body cam video of incident involving Glendale PD

he's moving his hands and reaching around, he's just asking for a jolt

obviously, the cops are low level popo, somehow, the wife was able to club one of the officers to sleep w/ a water bottle, so thats why the officers decided to taze the guy extra.

The water bottle she used has a proc of “sleepy”. She got lucky, one hit and proc went off.

 

[Lanx]

I get why he got the juice and I'm not saying it was wrong to light him up but the cops didn't do a great job either. That dude barely had any idea what was going on and didn't get much in the way of instructions.

well we should ask a FOH popo if the perp really was "shoving stuff" down the bag and back of the seats (i can't really tell) i mean if he's moving his hands all meth like, i'm sure thats gonna make the popo jumpy.

 

[Sludig]

well we should ask a FOH popo if the perp really was "shoving stuff" down the bag and back of the seats (i can't really tell) i mean if he's moving his hands all meth like, i'm sure thats gonna make the popo jumpy.

Lol nice avatar update.

When stuff like this happens. There is always time to arm chair quarter back how things might have worked out better. Sometimes something might make the most sense and plays out bad, and stuff that normally wouldn't be considered the 1st go to thing actually works out great. A lot of it is dependant on how unpredictable react.

This stuff is hard to watch when you are not in the job. But one example I would point out is when the guy basically screamed at him that he was done fucking around with him. Unprofessional you could argue but on the other hand it actually bought compliance all the way thru until escorting to the car and they were wrenching on the cuffs a bit. Getting arrested as an uncoop is going to yes get you some pain compliance and usually even if you've began cooperating, they are not going to make it comfortable as they do things like move you and make it easier for you to try and make a break for it.

In the first 30 seconds could he have done more to sweet talk the guy into cooperating or at least holding still. Maybe. But I'd put a pretty high bet the guy probably had warrants. It's a pretty small portion of the population that is recurrent offenders and this suspect seemed to know what was up and very cagey. Whether an experienced criminal or a oblivious house wife, most people kinda know how to react to police and continuing to be non compliant after you've gotten them to hands on/pull a toy is very rare unless you are super guilty, or super drunk and out of your mind.

With that in mind, I suggest re watching some of these split second officers under fire from even more benign seeming stops. Then you might sorta understand a little why seeing someone actively making furtive movements ignoring direct commands to stop moving around/stuffing things. It's not even about catching drugs at that point, it's what weapon are they hiding or readying possibly.

 

[jayrebb]

here just watch the officer cam and not the stupid news
RAW VIDEO: Body cam video of incident involving Glendale PD

he's moving his hands and reaching around, he's just asking for a jolt

obviously, the cops are low level popo, somehow, the wife was able to club one of the officers to sleep w/ a water bottle, so thats why the officers decided to taze the guy extra.

As a passenger who didn't commit the offense-- does he need to produce ID in that state, or was the cop bullrushing him as the video makes it out?

The standard is typically you need to be suspected of a crime. His "investigation" was aggressive. I'm not partial to the cops on this one so far based on my recent real life experience that didn't take place on a keyboard.

So far this stop does not look all that lawful to me.

 

[Lanx]

As a passenger who didn't commit the offense-- does he need to produce ID in that state, or was the cop bullrushing him as the video makes it out?

The standard is typically you need to be suspected of a crime. His "investigation" was aggressive. I'm not partial to the cops on this one so far based on my recent real life experience that didn't take place on a keyboard.

idk it's weird, theres another video from the parking lot. yes, they're actually in a parking lot, i don't know if they pulled over to the parking lot, but i highly doubt it since the driver side and rear are up against walls. is it a traffic stop? idk

 

[jayrebb]

idk it's weird, theres another video from the parking lot. yes, they're actually in a parking lot, i don't know if they pulled over to the parking lot, but i highly doubt it since the driver side and rear are up against walls. is it a traffic stop? idk

He voices that its a turn signal that caused the investigation/detainment that is happening. Its in the first 2 minutes.

If its a turn signal, that means they likely didn't get a suspicious individual complaint (call) and that means no one complained about them. A turn signal is a civil assessment not necessarily a crime.

This one isn't looking good.

 

[Lanx]

He voices that its a turn signal that caused the investigation/detainment that is happening. Its in the first 2 minutes.

If its a turn signal, that means they likely didn't get a suspicious individual complaint (call) and that means no one complained about them. A turn signal is a civil assessment not necessarily a crime.

This one isn't looking good.

the perp is also a passenger, and he WAS wearing his seatbelt, (cuz we see him all up in it) so it's not like the perp/passenger commited any traffic violations. However the driver had no license, so how does that go? we need foh popo.

 

[Sludig]

You generally can id everyone in a stop particularly when they are acting like this guy.

Just because he said it was a turn signal doesn't mean that was the actual reason. Telling someone hey you look like someone on a bolo doesn't go great.

Biggest failing other than starting too angry SAS not planning for navigating the belt. Even if he's cuffed him in car he'd then have been stuck cutting belt.

 

[Ambiturner]

In Nevada, a passenger isn't required to identify themselves if there's no reasonable suspicion or probable cause on their part. Not saying there was/wasn't a valid reason to ID the passenger, just that in a vacuum that's how the law works.

Outside of that, there's nothing wrong with the taser user or the officers professionalism. If you keep fighting you'll keep getting 5 second rides. If you're telling a cop you're not doing something he's currently watching you do then expect to get shut down real quick.

De-escalation doesn't mean trying to talk everything out. If he tries to talk to the guy who keeps reaching into his bag and the guy pulls out a weapon and someone dies, then that didn't de-escalate shit. If him tasing the guy now prevented him from having to shoot him, then he effectively de-escalated the situation.

 

[Arbitrary]

My only issue is that when the officer makes the decision to take the guy into custody he stops verbalizing what he's doing and starts in on the holds. The guy has no clue what's going on, the last instruction he got was to stop tensing up and then he gets zapped a bunch of times as they try and drag him out of the car with his seat belt in the way. I prefer when the officer shouts some clear orders and then lights up the fidgety, non-complaint suspicious drunk.

 

[Hosix]

the perp is also a passenger, and he WAS wearing his seatbelt, (cuz we see him all up in it) so it's not like the perp/passenger commited any traffic violations. However the driver had no license, so how does that go? we need foh popo.

In AZ passengers are not required to provide ID.

My only issue with this entire incident is that he was cuffed and then tased. I am sorry but with two people there you could easily rip restrain him and be done. Plus get him the fuck out of between the cars. JFC it’s like fighting in a phone booth.

 

[Muurloen]

PD: 5 police officers shot in Houston

The rumor is that HPD served the warrant to the wrong address.

 

[Hoss]

If by wrong you mean someone who was willing to shoot them, then yes. That's obvious.

 

[jayrebb]

In AZ passengers are not required to provide ID.

My only issue with this entire incident is that he was cuffed and then tased. I am sorry but with two people there you could easily rip restrain him and be done. Plus get him the fuck out of between the cars. JFC it’s like fighting in a phone booth.

So do you pay taxes in AZ? Or did you just look it up?

 

[jayrebb]

In Nevada, a passenger isn't required to identify themselves if there's no reasonable suspicion or probable cause on their part. Not saying there was/wasn't a valid reason to ID the passenger, just that in a vacuum that's how the law works.

Outside of that, there's nothing wrong with the taser user or the officers professionalism. If you keep fighting you'll keep getting 5 second rides. If you're telling a cop you're not doing something he's currently watching you do then expect to get shut down real quick.

De-escalation doesn't mean trying to talk everything out. If he tries to talk to the guy who keeps reaching into his bag and the guy pulls out a weapon and someone dies, then that didn't de-escalate shit. If him tasing the guy now prevented him from having to shoot him, then he effectively de-escalated the situation.

What do you think about the booking?

He wasn't booked on an ID law or obstructing an investigation.

Why drop all charges and cut him loose? Didn't he need to show them his ID because he matched a BOLO/suspicious person and failed to do that? Is there an appropriate charge that was missed here?

Whats up with the suspension?

Is that normal if everything is done by the book?

 

[Hosix]

So do you pay taxes in AZ? Or did you just look it up?

I pay taxes here. Plus I have seen Training Day a dozen times.

 

[Hosix]

What do you think about the booking?

He wasn't booked on an ID law or obstructing an investigation.

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Why drop all charges and cut him loose? Didn't he need to show them his ID because he matched a BOLO/suspicious person and failed to do that? Is there an appropriate charge that was missed here?

Whats up with the suspension?

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Is that normal if everything is done by the book?

I believe if you see what Glendale PD said..one of the taser zaps was out of policy. That’s the suspension. Plus this officer has a history of being an asshole. His past incidents were on the news Friday evening.

 

[Hoss]

The rumor is that HPD served the warrant to the wrong address.

Got Damn your rumors seem to have merit. I'm not hearing a lot about it, but the police chief just said HPD is doing no more no-knock raids. The cop apparently lied on the affidavit and there will be charges brought against at least one cop. The chief said they are investigating all of the raids these chucklenuts have conducted. Also, all of the wounded cops seem to have been friendly fire. While the couple had guns in the house, they now think they never had one, much less fired. The gunfight started from the first cop killing the dog.

Sucks an innocent couple had to die, but if this ends no-knock raids at least they didn't die in vain. Also, they likely weren't completely innocent. Dirty cop targeted them for some reason.

Deadly raid leads to change on no-knock warrants
Houston Police To Cease 'No Knock' Warrants, Chief Announces After Deadly Raid