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Isn't it the same as heroic? Either way, you weren't getting your loot from the end of dungeon. I didn't raid at all last season and all of my loot is from weekly chest or visions. Visions are going away but if you aren't mythic raiding, weekly chest will be your source of gear.

Bondurant said:

They're shaking things up M+ wise: Shadowlands Season 1 Mythic+ Item Level Loot Table - Max End-of-Dungeon Reward Reduced to Below Heroic Raid

Unlike BFA, you'll have to do Mythic raiding to progress in M+. So basically, M+ already lacked rewards, now it will lack loot too.

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That's dumb. Multiple avenues of getting gear = good. Designing the endgame for a tiny % of people = dumb. I wonder how many players they are throwing away with this change; I bet it is a LOT.

Fyff said:

Isn't it the same as heroic? Either way, you weren't getting your loot from the end of dungeon. I didn't raid at all last season and all of my loot is from weekly chest or visions. Visions are going away but if you aren't mythic raiding, weekly chest will be your source of gear.

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Actually given a lot of the raid loot was shit in many cases, and with Titanforging, a good part of the expansion people were getting loot from M+, no? Plus the fact you can just keep grinding M+ runs until you get good drops.

M+ isnt easy so the rewards need to good enough that its actually worth doing, otherwise it will be relegated to nothing more than another weekly activity done only to get the cache rewards.

BoozeCube said:

Pretty much, plus at least prior to the corruption patch I knew people would run many M+ using armor stacking or trying to rerun for certain trinkets/items. Pretty much from day one of BFA until the end people were trying to get the sword from Kings Rest. As usual Fyff is a terrible reference for anyone who has any desire to perform well in the game.

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I'm sorry my facts once again disagree with the bias of people who aren't playing the game...

BoozeCube said:

You're a joke.

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I'm sorry that the loot in current end m plus is lower than mythic raiding so this 'change' is not a change at all.

Fuck dude, are you actually retarded or just so jaded and sad with life that you have to argue against facts on the internet for a game you don't even play?

They need to make dungeon specific gear that allows for dungeon only gearing.

If they toss in some items with "effects" they can still have Mythic+ relevancy for raiders. Definitely heard some fierce bitching about having to M+ for Mechagon Rings or the Mage Bracers despite ilvl differential.

Fyff said:

I don't get what the big deal is.

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Fyff said:

I'm sorry that the loot in current end m plus is lower than mythic raiding so this 'change' is not a change at all.

Fuck dude, are you actually retarded or just so jaded and sad with life that you have to argue against facts on the internet for a game you don't even play?

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Raiding only happens once a week, so your chances to loot something you want are low. Of course you can still kill raid bosses again and use a token, but it's still pretty low. Before 8.3 M+ loot could proc (war / titanforge, also gem slot) in every M+ run, therefore a lot of people only doing M+ content could progress M+ with M+ loot source only. Even after 8.3, we were still running M+ to try to get good items with good corruption.

The "big deal" is now you'll be forced to raid to stay competitive and progress in M+. And in an environment where there's already a severe lack of rewards during progression, removing the loot incentive looks short-sighted at best, or plain dumb. M+ is really great as a competitive, PvE content alternative to raiding, they shouldn't remove one of the main incentives to actually do it.

Fyff said:

I'm sorry that the loot in current end m plus is lower than mythic raiding so this 'change' is not a change at all.

Fuck dude, are you actually retarded or just so jaded and sad with life that you have to argue against facts on the internet for a game you don't even play?

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Except now the M+ in SL will be lower than Heroic, not just mythic. Also was there a cap on the titanforging early in BFA where it stayed below mythic level?

Once again an obvious "fix" to the 1% progression raiders getting loot. This has nothing to do with anything else.