"You and now your Children Have To Go Back", The Illegal Immigration Thread

LachiusTZ

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Could fund the wall by selling tags.

For like 1500$, you can get 2 does, 1 buck.

Have a contest for biggest pelvis every year.
 
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They're just innocent women and children we need to flood the country with at taxpayers' expense to breed out Nazi Trump voters !
GRAPHIC -- Mexican Cartel Gunmen Castrate, Murder Rivals

Cartel gunmen kidnapped, castrated, and murdered a group of men who are believed to be their rivals.

One of Mexico’s most violent organizations claimed credit for the gory crime scene, saying the victims were rapists and kidnappers–alleging the murders were part of a “cleanup.”

The gruesome crime scene was discovered in Coatzacoalcos, Veracruz, by authorities with the state attorney general’s office on a ranch called “El Cafetal.” Law enforcement sources revealed to Breitbart News the discovery of four men bound and castrated prior to their murders.

The men also had their hands severed and appeared to tortured to death.

Next to the bodies, members of Cartel Jalisco New Generation (CJNG) left a poster board taking credit for the scene, labeling the victims kidnappers and rapists.

Mexico’s CJNG is currently making a series of territorial incursions around the country to take control of key fuel theft, drug trafficking, and human smuggling regions.

Authorities identified one of the four victims as Rey Jose Poblete Ramos, a man with a lengthy criminal history. It remains unclear if Poblete Ramos worked with a particular cartel.

The other three men are still unidentified.

Breitbart News obtained access to the criminal investigation into Poblete Ramos’ 2011 arrest on the charge of kidnapping.

Poblete was part of a three-man crew for Los Zetas who grabbed a worker from Mexico’s state-owned oil company Pemex as the man was coming leaving a bar in Coatzacoalcos.

Despite confessing to the charge, Poblete Ramos was free two years later through suspicious court rulings.

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i watched this expecting something good, i think brosef was just mad he cant afford to live there. the comment section ate him alive.
 

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~800,000 illegals
Each pay 5,000 or more to the human traffickers

If they had paid our government instead to get in, we'd have 4+ billion.

Is a 4 billion $+ trafficking operation at our border not a crisis? Criminals can afford something our government can't hmm.



Also found out Carlos Slim is the biggest share holder of the New York Times. Isn't that interesting?
 

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Was thinking on this more today and wondering if the right fix isn't just a wall/border security, but also a squeeze on employers employing illegals.

I think the net result is mixed for the economy, but maybe more stable in the long term. You end up with higher priced produce and service jobs here, which in turn makes their counterparts more competetive in low cost countries.

The latter might actually slow the tide of people wanting to leave their home as they have (marginally) better paying jobs.

Immigration reform is no doubt a hard problem to solve.
 

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Was thinking on this more today and wondering if the right fix isn't just a wall/border security, but also a squeeze on employers employing illegals.

I think the net result is mixed for the economy, but maybe more stable in the long term. You end up with higher priced produce and service jobs here, which in turn makes their counterparts more competetive in low cost countries.

The latter might actually slow the tide of people wanting to leave their home as they have (marginally) better paying jobs.

Immigration reform is no doubt a hard problem to solve.
have to make everify mandatory for anyone and retroactive, that works, that means even bill gates will go through everify when he fills out an i-9, but also make everify free. That way employers cannot say that everify is a burden, sure that means tax payers will shoulder the burden of every everify query, but it's better than just letting these fucks run wild.
 
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Yeah, I agree...it's for sure a more complex issue but the end result I feel is worth it.
 

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I don't think anyone is against going after employers - I know I've been championing that cause for quite a bit. And partly out of compassion, no less. Some of the employers are super shady motherfuckers who will call ICE when payday rolls around, so they don't have to pay their employees. You also get a lot of compelled rape (dunno what to call it - "fuck me or you aren't getting paid", "fuck me or I'm calling ICE", etc) because illegal women have little recourse if they don't want to chance getting picked up for being illegal. They also make shit ass wages, often suffering wage theft as well, in the form of kickbacks to their employers. And the OT rules for farm hands is all kinds of messed up - because it's not like illegals have a union or any sort of representation at the state or federal level.

This is all stuff that kicking illegals out and making a functioning work program would fix, but Dems are too stupid to understand the price of their super cheap veggies (or worse, don't care, because it's mostly about virtue signaling). And really, the price of produce and meat (lotta illegals in the various meat industries too) would barely go up much if they were paid a real wage.

I mean, all KINDS of industries suffer wage depression because of illegals, but dumb asses would rather bitch about "Americans won't work these jobs!" without taking the next logical leap to ask WHY? Because no, it's not because they are shit jobs - it's because they pay shit wages. And that's due to unlimited, unskilled or poorly skilled workers, who aren't able to lean on the system that protects legal workers in this country.
 
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The Latest: Border officials report biggest fentanyl bust
U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials say they have made their biggest fentanyl bust ever, capturing nearly 254 pounds (114 kilograms) of the deadly synthetic opioid in Arizona.


The Nogales CBP Port Director Michael Humphries said Thursday that the drug was seized Saturday from a tractor-trailer carrying produce from Mexico after it was stopped for inspection at the border crossing.


Agents also seized an additional 2.2 pounds (1 kilogram) of fentanyl pills and a large cache of methamphetamine.


The Mexican man driving the truck was arrested.
 
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US prosecutors announce Chinese birth tourism crackdown

US prosecutors announce Chinese birth tourism crackdown

SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) — Dongyuan Li's business was called "You Win USA," and authorities say she coached pregnant Chinese women on how to get into the United States to deliver babies who would automatically enjoy all the benefits of American citizenship.














(1 of 4) Federal agents enter an upscale apartment complex where authorities say a birth tourism business charged pregnant women $50,000 for lodging, food and transportation, in Irvine, Calif. On Thursday, Jan. 31, 2019, authorities announced they have charged 20 people in an unprecedented crackdown on businesses that helped hundreds of Chinese women travel to the United States to give birth to American citizen children.

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Over two years, the now-41-year-old raked in millions through her business, where mothers-to-be paid between $40,000 and $80,000 each to come to California, stay in an upscale apartment and give birth, authorities said.

Li, who was arrested Thursday, is one of 20 people charged in the first federal crackdown on birth tourism businesses that prosecutors said brought hundreds of pregnant women to the United States. Jing Dong, 42, and Michael Wei Yueh Liu, 53, who allegedly operated "USA Happy Baby," also were arrested. More than a dozen others, including the operator of a third such business, also face charges but are believed to have returned to China, the U.S. Attorney's office in Los Angeles said.

While it isn't illegal to visit the United States while pregnant, authorities said the businesses — which were raided by federal agents in 2015 — touted the benefits of having U.S. citizen babies, who could get free public education and years later help their parents immigrate.

They also allegedly had women hide their pregnancies while seeking travel visas and lie about their plans, with one You Win USA customer telling consular officials she was going to visit a Trump hotel in Hawaii.

The charges include conspiracy, visa fraud and money laundering. But U.S. authorities said the businesses also posed a national security risk since their customers, some who worked for the Chinese government, secured American citizenship for children who can move back to the United States and once they're 21 and then sponsor their parents for green cards.

"I see this as a grave national security concern and vulnerability," said Mark Zito, assistant special agent-in-charge of Immigration and Customs Enforcement's homeland security investigations. "Are some of them doing it for security because the United States is more stable? Absolutely. But will those governments take advantage of this? Yes, they will."

Messages left for Li and Dong's attorneys were not immediately returned. Derek Tung, Liu's attorney, said the growing interest among Chinese women to give birth to American babies drew attention to a phenomenon long employed by citizens of other countries.

His client had nothing to do with getting women visas from China but worked almost as a subcontractor to provide housing once they arrived, he said. "My client is merely the provider. The people who are in China are the ones in charge of everything," he said.

Birth tourism businesses have long operated in California and other states and cater to couples from China, Russia, Nigeria and elsewhere. In the past, operators sometimes ran into trouble with local code enforcement officials when neighbors in residential areas complained about crowding or excess trash, but they didn't face federal scrutiny.

In 2015, federal agents in California raided roughly three dozen sites connected with the three businesses. More than 20 people were designated as material witnesses but some later fled to China and were charged with violating federal court orders, and a lawyer who helped them leave the country was convicted of obstruction of justice.

This week, a federal grand jury indicted four people who allegedly ran the birth tourism businesses until the 2015 raids, including Wen Rui Deng, 65, who is believed to be in China and accused of operating "Star Baby Care."

That business dated to at least 2010 but advertised having brought 8,000 women to the United States — half of them from China — and claimed to have been running since 1999, prosecutors said. Each business brought hundreds of customers to give birth in the United States and some didn't pay all of the medical costs tied to their care, prosecutors said. One couple paid the indigent rate for their hospital bills — a total of $4,080 — even though they had more than $225,000 in a U.S. bank account they had used to shop at luxury stores including Louis Vuitton, according to court papers.

Li, who operated You Win USA and paid in full for a $2.1 million home in Irvine, California and a new Mercedes-Benz, told an undercover federal agent who was posing as a pregnant Chinese citizen that her company would train her to interview for a visa and pass customs, according to court filings.

At one point, the papers said, she also sent a text message to her husband about the business, saying "After all, this is not legal!"
 
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Could they not just make it a requirement that before you are granted citizenship courtesy of birth place, your parents had to show proof of citizenship (state ID, drivers license, whatever)?
 

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Could they not just make it a requirement that before you are granted citizenship courtesy of birth place, your parents had to show proof of citizenship (state ID, drivers license, whatever)?
no, cuz the 14th guarantees (birth) citizenship irregardless of the status of the birth parents.

historically it seems it was amended to give citizenship to blacks, cuz they weren't citizens otherwise.
 

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Yeah, the birth citizenship was absolutely never intended to be exploited as a loophole. It really needs to be revisited because it, like the voter ID laws, was for a very specific portion of time where massive basic inequality existed (post slavery) due to race. The criteria that made that amendment and those laws important are no longer valid, and are basically exactly the same thing as leaving old ad-hoc code in your programs. It's a vulnerability that needs to be re-mediated, not something that needs to be protected anymore.
 
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