So I just watched this tonight and they didn't explain a couple of things. How is the girl recruited from high school? Is this movie BS, or confirmed? Also, why did they not keep the body and IIRC toss it into the ocean? It also doesn't go into why they released a fake picture of his dead body and why they still haven't released it yet.
Zero Dark Thirty (2012)
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I suddenly remembered this wasn't the general forum. No point in derailing a thread about some entertaining fiction
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necro'ing this. Just watched it 3 times over past few months, cuz I might use it in my RL (teacher).
The end of the film, after everything is done, the female lead is alone and thinking about this terrible journey. Tell me the soundtrack music is not a very subtle vamp on the MASH theme. The first three notes of the theme (Call it the "He is finally dead" theme) are almost exactly the same, and as the credits role it gets even closer.
If so, sly move by K. Bigelow the director. Very sly.
edit: about 2h 25 m mark.
The end of the film, after everything is done, the female lead is alone and thinking about this terrible journey. Tell me the soundtrack music is not a very subtle vamp on the MASH theme. The first three notes of the theme (Call it the "He is finally dead" theme) are almost exactly the same, and as the credits role it gets even closer.
If so, sly move by K. Bigelow the director. Very sly.
edit: about 2h 25 m mark.
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This move is a great piece of film if you're an analyst or in the intel community at all. It's a true story and it's actually the most talked about because Camp Chapman was the worst killing of CIA personnel in 25 years (the car bomb on base). It's a great example of why checks are put in place and why you do not break protocol for special cases such as that.
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The source being clandestine in nature has raised more than a few eyebrows, criticisms of the "burial" notwithstanding. Intelligence services have aided and abetted many lies and manipulated many agendas over the decades, I'm afraid we have to favor healthy skepticism here.
The movie was a piece of shit, and pales even further without 3rd party confirmation of the actual execution, nevermind the capture itself. I'm not saying give him a trial, as that would be a threat to national security, but at least some chain of custody outside of the CIA would have been really nifty and cool of them.
And it could have worked wonders for this story.
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The fact he wasn't droned along with the 1,000 other people who were droned in the region that year speaks to something being amiss. He was an intelligence asset, anyone who understands what that means knows he would have been rendered, not killed. That is why boots were put on the ground. That is why he wasn't droned, because intelligence assets aren't summarily executed-- they get rendered. Tossing him off a boat just doesn't jive. The community knows that but aren't free to speak their mind.So I just did it for you.
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Yeah, let's drone a fucking location literally steps away from a god damn air base and training facility.The source being clandestine in nature has raised more than a few eyebrows, criticisms of the "burial" notwithstanding. Intelligence services have aided and abetted many lies and manipulated many agendas over the decades, I'm afraid we have to favor healthy skepticism here.
The movie was a piece of shit, and pales even further without 3rd party confirmation of the actual execution, nevermind the capture itself. I'm not saying give him a trial, as that would be a threat to national security, but at least some chain of custody outside of the CIA would have been really nifty and cool of them.
And it could have worked wonders for this story.
So I just did it for you.
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Yeah... you aren't going to fly a non-stealth aircraft that near a Pakistani air base at the normal altitude that Predators/Reapers operate at. Their only option was either some kind of stand off weapon (JSOW, Tomahawk) or bring boots in low and quiet, especially with that type of target. You'd want identification done immediately.
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Let's not also forget had it not been for the fucking helicopter crashing and burning they would have never known anything happened which was the whole point. Some a-rab on Twitter in a neighborhood was the only one going on about it for hours. They were already near the border before the Paki's starting going for them.
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Fair enough. Next.
Why no TOS order? What's up with the extraction?
Are you going to use the positive identification excuse? Would he have not have been identified before violating the sovereignty of Pakistan?
No terminate on sight is just another indicator to me that he was rendered.
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I'm afraid the burden is on you to prove that he wasn't rendered. I can't post the actual hack, but anyone familiar with it knows which email I'm referencing. Wikipedia is as far as I'm willing to take it. I won't even link to a fucking news article on it. Barrett is essentially doing prison time for linking to the actual email pool itself in an article. Heads rolled.
Str4tfor is a top contractor. They deal in operations and collection for the D3partment of Defens3.
2012–13 Stratfor email leak - Wikipedia
That's all you get buddy.
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I could argue that the burden of proof is actually on you, since you're the one making the claim that is contrary to the official story. However, I don't really care, and I'd say the burden I wanted proven, that you are a nutburger, has been pretty well handled by this very post of yours. So thanks for doing my job for me!
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He was never positivley identified. It's well known they used GEOINT and specifically had help from NGA (which is semi-evident from the movie if you watched it).
Here's an article from 2008 which mentions how they should find OBL using shadows: Shadow analysis could spot terrorists by their walk
One of the main things they used was his height as it was significantly different than those in the region.
Also, you're completely disregarding the nurses who gained access to the compound.
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The people can decide. Nutburger, but all I know is Void isn't the Associated Press senior editor, you aren't CBS News, you aren't NPR, you aren't Reuters. You are none of those guys. Me? I'm with those guys. We've got questions we want answers to.
The burden is still on you and the narrative, considering your own refusal to turn over records of physical evidence.
Well said Michael Oreskes.
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