. it was only a surprise to the characters in the film.
Would it still be a surprise if they knew Mickey was intentionally picking easy fights and avoiding Clubber?
. it was only a surprise to the characters in the film.
not necessarily, he never faced Clubber before. Rocky might have rocked his world. it would be expected because Rocky was known for his amazing endurance. Clubber was not an endurance fighter. as Rocky proved by staying out of his way and letting Clubber tire himself out. it wasnt eye of the tiger that beat Clubber. it was Clubber going beast mode from the gate and being exhausted by the third round. Rocky just taunted him to keep him in beast mode til he pooped out.Would it still be a surprise if they knew Mickey was intentionally picking easy fights and avoiding Clubber?
not necessarily, he never faced Clubber before.
Mickey thought Rocky would lose to Clubber. that doesnt mean anything. he thought Apollo would beat Rocky the first and second time. Mickey isnt known for his confidence in Rocky's ability as a fighter. what is a known entity is Rocky not knowing when to give up. Rocky would have dogged Clubber til Rocky was unconscious or dead.Rocky's reputation in the film, which is what ambiturner whole argument rests on, was built on a lie (actually ten lies)
You also don't get how boxing match ups work. He wasn't ducking Lang for 10 fights
and they're "10 lies". When Lang became the #1 contender Rocky would have had a year to fight him or lose his title. You don't know anything about sports or boxing so you seem to think Lang was the #1 contender for years and years while Rocky was fighting all of them.
Again misrepresenting lol.
His reputation was built on ten title defences hand picked by Mickey. Lang is irrelevant to this point. Rockys reputation, which makes him the public favourite, was undeserved.
Again with the misrepresenting.
Again with the claim to know how a fictional boxing association works and what its rules are.
(anyone ever have a crazy girl do this kind of thing to them? Ringing any alarm bells?)
You thinking a challenger telling the champion he's better than him
or a private conversation between a manager and a boxer will somehow change public opinion.
Also holy shit I just jumped forward 3 pages and this Rocky argument is still going on
This is screenshots. Harrow away, friendo.Amod can you just give everyone on the last 2 pages of this thread a hodj and neg per post, please
Still misrepresenting what Lang actually said.
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If the manager of any athlete said in public:
Your opponent "isn't just another fighter, he's a wrecking machine and he's hungry. You ain't been hungry since you won that belt. (Those ten title defences) was easy, they was hand picked! Weren't setups, they were good fighters but they weren't killers, he'll knock you into tomorrow"
That wouldn't change public opinion?
lmao honestly
I am not autistic
Say what you will about her politically or personally but she showed up prepared. She'd whip out a damn BOOK in response to reporter questions and never lost any composure whatsoever. Compared to the last few press secretaries (and the ones before her as well) she was basically an assassin.
lol all of this "But couldn't this be taken to mean that and could possibly affect public opinion??" is just refusing to admit you've been beaten.
We literally the announcers telling us Rocky's a heavy favorite, but that's just a meaningless throwaway line apparently.
It's Mist. She's an NPC who's always been too stupid to think for herself and used to throw tantrums weekly where she'd threaten suicide when she'd lose an argument. There's no reason to ever take her seriously.
If the manager of any athlete said in public:
Your opponent "isn't just another fighter, he's a wrecking machine and he's hungry. You ain't been hungry since you won that belt. (Those ten title defences) was easy, they was hand picked! Weren't setups, they were good fighters but they weren't killers, he'll knock you into tomorrow"
That wouldn't change public opinion?
Answer the question
It's one piece of evidence for your argument from one of two characters that are so insigificant that they aren't even given names
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lmao.
Your whole argument this entire time has been "everyone but Mickey, thinks Rocky is the favourite".
We have already established that "Everyone but Mickey" is false, because Clubber Lang + 1 person.
But for Lang to make that accusation publically means all that we need for "Everyone but Mickey, plus Clubber Lang" to be false is just one more person. So is it totally unbelievable that every single person present at the statue, every single sports reporter, every single boxing bundit, every single boxing fan all thought "nah Lang is talking shit"
No.
Ergo "everyone but MIckey" is false.
But but but https://www.firesofheaven.org/threads/ignoring-users-makes-entire-threads-invisible.14813/
Rocky was the favorite as proven by the movie's own words
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There are 9238 words in the Rocky 3 script.
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You're claiming that those two words prove beyond all shadow of a doubt that Rocky was the underdog in the movie world.
2 words of 9238 is 0.216497077289457% of the script. (from a character so insigificant he isn't even given a name)
Compare to
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"takes the easy matches, fights other bums. He fight them set-ups"
"I'm tellin you and everybody here"
All spoken by the main protagonist lol. Sure - Lang is irrelevant, nobody took him seriously. Nobody listened. None of the sports journalists bothered to quote him or even refer to his accusations.
Nobody bothered to analyse Rocky's record to see if the accusation had any merit lol.
lol talk about clutching at straws
lol you think a challenger trash talking
So the movie's own words
Guess who wrote the lines they said?
lol you think a challenger trash talking is going to affect whether they're a favorite or not?