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This conversion is so high volume it's basically iridite -> iron/copper/heavy oil alchemy that impacts your need for iron/copper/oil.
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Gravel
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I also started with 1-4 trains. Switched everything to 1-1 a little bit before unlocking the space elevator. For me it was because trying to figure out city blocks with massive input resources accommodating 1-4 trains was stupid. For instance, I've got multiple blocks that have 7-9 inputs into them. I can cram them into a feeder city block to the production one really well. Trying to fit 1-4 trains though? Yeah, not going to happen.
I also do still end up with quite a few traffic jams that are a giant pain to clear out. Adding even longer trains would make that a nightmare.
For instance, this is what my feeder blocks for my space sciences look like.
Fluids:
Materials:
I've got one of the fluid blocks for each of the 5 sciences (material, energy, astronomic, biologic, deep space), and 3 material blocks to truck in everything I need, which is then transported by robots. There are also hybrid ones that I have for making the space fluids that truck in materials and fluids from Nauvis.
Compartmentalizing everything and using 1-1 trains really made everything easier. Like with iron plates, I just have a single block with the bottom half being train stations (ore in, pyroflux in, plates out), and the top being the processing part. Bigger trains mean I need either much larger city blocks, or using two blocks for one resource. And 4k iron plates lasts a long time pretty much everywhere. And if it doesn't, well, I've got like 30 1-1 trains so fuck it.
meStevo
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I recently added a 2nd wagon to my trains, but it's caused some issues w/ my jank lines and there can be some stuck conditions that never alert so probably go back to one, lol.
Added six more recyclers and reworked my scrap setup, a little more under control now
Oh, and:
Another step towards starships and space elevators. Probably work on Material 2 next.
Added six more recyclers and reworked my scrap setup, a little more under control now
Oh, and:
Another step towards starships and space elevators. Probably work on Material 2 next.
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meStevo
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I'm sure the answer is 'git gud' but... how are you guys managing what resources are needed where for your factories across the different surfaces? Just complex circuit setups so they intelligently request things, simplifying the endpoints you need to supply?
Take Nauvis Orbit for example - right now, i'm clicking around to various requestor chests and looking at the logistic listings to see what i need to resupply and then throwing chunks of that in a rocket. Obviously this is more and more work as I expand orbit more and more and I am sure to properly do this I should be more organized and more standardized in how I am delivering things to different points of the base rather than what I'm doing now... shooting it or cargo rocketing it to orbit in chunks and then using inserters to send it to different provider chests (most raw resources) or directly to their intended destinations (like barrels of specific liquids to their designated assembler). I figure for Nauvis Orbit in particular, this will be my life until we get to the space elevator and then that may change everything as cargo transiting to/from orbit is simplified and can be done via rail?
I take it city blocks are one approach, so you are setting up the bock with automated inputs and outputs and your rail network then handles the inputs and outputs for each block?
Presumably I could look at the logistic network and just note which resources are vital and compare that result. Based on my limited experience with cybersyn I can probably set something up to tell me that we have more or less of each resource than I'd like?
For cross-surface automation, so far I've only just setup one transmitter/receiver and cannon, which just makes sure a box doesn't fall below a certain level of iron plates. That's pretty much it so far though when it comes to full automation
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Man, this has been a fun run. Hope we can finish it and take enough of a break to restart when the official stuff releases.
Take Nauvis Orbit for example - right now, i'm clicking around to various requestor chests and looking at the logistic listings to see what i need to resupply and then throwing chunks of that in a rocket. Obviously this is more and more work as I expand orbit more and more and I am sure to properly do this I should be more organized and more standardized in how I am delivering things to different points of the base rather than what I'm doing now... shooting it or cargo rocketing it to orbit in chunks and then using inserters to send it to different provider chests (most raw resources) or directly to their intended destinations (like barrels of specific liquids to their designated assembler). I figure for Nauvis Orbit in particular, this will be my life until we get to the space elevator and then that may change everything as cargo transiting to/from orbit is simplified and can be done via rail?
I take it city blocks are one approach, so you are setting up the bock with automated inputs and outputs and your rail network then handles the inputs and outputs for each block?
Presumably I could look at the logistic network and just note which resources are vital and compare that result. Based on my limited experience with cybersyn I can probably set something up to tell me that we have more or less of each resource than I'd like?
For cross-surface automation, so far I've only just setup one transmitter/receiver and cannon, which just makes sure a box doesn't fall below a certain level of iron plates. That's pretty much it so far though when it comes to full automation
.Man, this has been a fun run. Hope we can finish it and take enough of a break to restart when the official stuff releases.
Folanlron
Trakanon Raider
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Last time I played there was no Space Elevator, and even the basic Space Faring automation was very very very basic.
They have absolutely added tons of QoL with having better ships with circuit conditions. And the SE that thing just makes me wanna play again .. But not really no time =/
They have absolutely added tons of QoL with having better ships with circuit conditions. And the SE that thing just makes me wanna play again .. But not really no time =/
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Tuco
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Basically.
I can send pics of the receiving side, but it's basically a lander, a signal transmitter, some constant cominbators with a handful of each entity type I'll need (and a ton of rocket parts, elevator cables, meteor defense items), and then storage chests for each item.
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Tuco
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Naq Hauler Mk. III
I found this calculator for ship speed: Spaceship Speed Calculator
I guess it's an approximation of a recursive function but is decently accurate, within a few "speeds" of my top speed in this ship.
Tuco
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Here's my naq factory 2.0. It's a total failure.Built my first Naqium Ingot factory, pretty happy with it.
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Naquitite processing is notoriously busy because it has to be mined outside the solar system and only stacks till ten. Most people do an intermediate processing at the mining site (which precludes the usage of production modules), but I chose to bring it in raw because I wanted to stress a high throughput system.
There's a few things I changed up. Generally for my 4 cargo wagon trains I funnel the four buffer chests into a single buffer chest to guarantee even consumption of the buffer chests, ex, my copper chests here:
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This has two problems:
1. You incur a UPS cost from the entry and exit of the buffer chest (which can be quite large for large chests)
2. You then have to distribute out of that chest to through your factory, which can be quite annoying in high consumption scenarios.
So I tried to ditch that funnel buffer and instead output it raw. This has the issue of imbalancing the chests which can either cause the factory to be underprovisioned or cause overshipping of trains, which can cause trains to be occupied longer than you want (which isn't a big deal in this situation because the only 1-4-1 trains I have coming from nauvis orbit to nauvis is for this purpose, but whatever).
To address that I did two things:
1. Used some fancy circuits to set my request amount (and even integrated in the LUA scripting mod: Moon Logic )
2. Used some basic circuits to balance the chests.
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You can see the circuit logic for #1 here, basically it takes the most needed resource and multiplies it by 4 to request only when one chest needs it. The inserters to the left do some balancing of the chests. I generally have equivalent consumption of each chest, but it's imperfect.
After pulverising the naquitite ore, I'm using direct insertion to move them to the chemical factories, which is made easy with Bob's Inserters
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This is more UPS efficient than going building->belt->building, but requires a lot more effort.
Another thing I tried for the first time is used a sort of self-feeding inserter going into a loader
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This factory has a lot of byproducts, and in this case there are three byproducts that the system itself consumes *rolls eyes*. I think that mechanic is dumb and have historically solved it by creating an output that feeds back into a belt with some basic prioritization. This makes use of the fact that loaders will overfeed factories more than inserters, so it'll load up that byproduct and only use the inserter when it needs to.
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Naquium ingots are unique in K2SE in that they have a bifurcated production of the refined and powdered portions that unite later in the crystals and ingots. It's not a crazy challenge but if it's not handled correctly the factory will lock up like mine currently is. There's a few other inefficiencies introduced by my choice to try and maximize direct insertion. I could probably work through it, but with how much variety there is in the recipes the "chocolate box" style just creates a huge mess so I'm going to redo it.
The larger elements of the factory, including the ininterrupted two rail lines, dedicated elevator, 2-5-2 trains, spaceship, etc are solid though.
Gravel
Mr. Poopybutthole
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I don't think that's a K2 specific thing. In vanilla SE, the crushed/powdered naquium recipes both make both products just in different ratios. And then naquium crystals also shit out more of them. They also shit out a bunch of the byproducts from other outposts, that are also used in the naquium recipes.
The whole chain is a shitshow. It's why I said I hate naquium so much.
The whole chain is a shitshow. It's why I said I hate naquium so much.
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Tuco
I got Tuco'd!
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Tuco
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meStevo
I think your wife's a bigfoot gus.
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Damn. How big is your Nauvis? Mine is 5692. I've gone out to find the edges, but with an almost 300mb download every time we enter the game, I don't go and reveal more than I need to on some surfaces, heh.
Building the space elevator today. Then the work begins redesigning the entire orbital setup before we move on.
A lot of it is just spaghetti to get us to this point, now we are going to rework it, probably just dedicated sections of factory for each science and then some central production areas, etc.
Also stop relying on bots nearly as much. Just setup a scrap rail because holy fuck the scrap from tier 2 material packs (and I'm sure that's all just scratching the surface). Only making energy 1, astro 1 and material 1/2 so far. Next will be astro 2 and energy 2 as we set our sights on spaceships.
Any suggestions as we enter this new phase of the game? Some things I'm still not sure how im going to setup - multiple train depots? We literally have all of 4 trains (one is a fluid wagon) serving the Nauvis base. That obviously will change. Not sure if i should have a dedicated set of trains / rails just for space logistics, and then have the (to be expanded) Nauvis trains focused mostly on surface <-> orbit logistics.
Ultimately, I've been a one-man show in orbit, and i'm the least organized of my friends. Spaghetti and over-reliance on bots (and with the interference in orbit, can't go above 50 bots for very long, lose them so quick), and I need to get better. Looking forward to this chance to get my more organized friends into space and helping get things in a better place as we reset and go forward.
It's been a fun less than 2 months!
For posterity, should be fun seeing how things evolve from here:
Building the space elevator today. Then the work begins redesigning the entire orbital setup before we move on.
A lot of it is just spaghetti to get us to this point, now we are going to rework it, probably just dedicated sections of factory for each science and then some central production areas, etc.
Also stop relying on bots nearly as much. Just setup a scrap rail because holy fuck the scrap from tier 2 material packs (and I'm sure that's all just scratching the surface). Only making energy 1, astro 1 and material 1/2 so far. Next will be astro 2 and energy 2 as we set our sights on spaceships.
Any suggestions as we enter this new phase of the game? Some things I'm still not sure how im going to setup - multiple train depots? We literally have all of 4 trains (one is a fluid wagon) serving the Nauvis base. That obviously will change. Not sure if i should have a dedicated set of trains / rails just for space logistics, and then have the (to be expanded) Nauvis trains focused mostly on surface <-> orbit logistics.
Ultimately, I've been a one-man show in orbit, and i'm the least organized of my friends. Spaghetti and over-reliance on bots (and with the interference in orbit, can't go above 50 bots for very long, lose them so quick), and I need to get better. Looking forward to this chance to get my more organized friends into space and helping get things in a better place as we reset and go forward.
It's been a fun less than 2 months!
For posterity, should be fun seeing how things evolve from here:
Tuco
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5692. The preivous planet I glaived is 8049, or twice the circumference. Took forevverrrr.
Yeah using the Scan Surface tool to explore the planet
slows down the game a ton, then you have these big ass save files during the glaiving, which also cost UPS. But it's for a greater good. Going to feel great to clear this surface and not have the glaives running, then also clean up alllll the anti-pollution, anti-biter stuff.
Tuco
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If you haven't done a city block with train stations before, I'd recommend adopting that as part of the great elevator integration.
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Tuco
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Built my first nexus ship. I believe it's strong enough to beat the game with, which is nice because I haven't unlocked the last science yet, which allows for building even bigger space ships. I've never seen these double-fletched design before, but I think it's just about optimal.
full size:
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Tholan
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finally, normal sized train !Here's my naq factory 2.0. It's a total failure.
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Naquium ingots are unique in K2SE in that they have a bifurcated production of the refined and powdered portions that unite later in the crystals and ingots. It's not a crazy challenge but if it's not handled correctly the factory will lock up like mine currently is. There's a few other inefficiencies introduced by my choice to try and maximize direct insertion. I could probably work through it, but with how much variety there is in the recipes the "chocolate box" style just creates a huge mess so I'm going to redo it.
The larger elements of the factory, including the ininterrupted two rail lines, dedicated elevator, 2-5-2 trains, spaceship, etc are solid though.
I started today a game with both SE and krastorio. here goes my summer tan.
Tuco
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Tuco
I got Tuco'd!
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Here's Naq Fac 3.0, it's super similar but subtle differences are built into the pulverizer -> powder/refinement to enable balancing. You can see the belt reading circuits which are tied to the inserters for the powder / refinement factories to disable them to avoid stalling from backpressure. I've got some buffered naquium ore just because I wanted to push the system and don't have enough demand yet!! The 4 mines can't supply enough naquium for this factory, but it's not tooo far off. The whole system isn't 100% effective but works well enough to supply my Naquium probably for the rest of the game.Here's my naq factory 2.0. It's a total failure.
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Naquium ingots are unique in K2SE in that they have a bifurcated production of the refined and powdered portions that unite later in the crystals and ingots. It's not a crazy challenge but if it's not handled correctly the factory will lock up like mine currently is. There's a few other inefficiencies introduced by my choice to try and maximize direct insertion. I could probably work through it, but with how much variety there is in the recipes the "chocolate box" style just creates a huge mess so I'm going to redo it.
The larger elements of the factory, including the ininterrupted two rail lines, dedicated elevator, 2-5-2 trains, spaceship, etc are solid though.
It has a dedicated elevator with 6x dedicated 2-5-2 trains. Here's the other end with one of four spaceships for Naquium transport.
Each spaceship has one mine. The speed of the spaceship is about the same as it takes one of the mines to fill all of its warehouses, give or take. This particular mine also has the power system and anti-meteroite defenses. The other three are a bit slimmer. I might change the power system from a beam emitter to something else, but for now it works really well.
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