Spectre (2015)

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Woolygimp

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Woolygimp is spot on. Everything after Goldeneye (yes it has flaws) was really really really bad.
The problem was not about US bond girls (just refered why didn't work), the problem was the (lack of) script.
Tomorrow was about a guy who wanted Earth to be nuked so he could sell newspapers.
World is not enough was about a psycopath who wanted to blow a submarine in Istanbul (revenge or some shit, i think) with the help of Sophie Marceau.
Die another day a north Korean with british accent wanted diamonds to build a weapon (how original) to blow the DMZ for....some reason.

Daniel Craig movies, for me , don't use the JB formula like the previous ones.
Casino Royale was good.
QoS is the worst bond movie ever imo.
Skyfall was disappointing to say the least.
Spectre was just a rushed shit show.

All in all, since Goldeneye, I didn't enjoy any Bond movie (except Casino Royale).
Something that I really find irksome, and Bond movies aren't alone in this regard, are the super genius villains who want to nuke New York City (or destroy the eastern seaboard/half of the globe) in exchange for United States dollars. If something that catastrophic happened, markets would tank, and fiat money would probably lose a lot of value very quickly. Transfer me $10 billion electronically, and then I'll wipe out the NY Stock Exchange and financial markets. Makes a ton of fucking sense.

At least the older bond movies were a little more comical in that regard. In the Daniel Craig movies they were actually trying to be serious. Casino Royale worked because it showed Bond as a human; after that he just became the Terminator. Bond showed weakness in Goldeneye, because Alec (Sean Bean) was a genuine friend to him, and you could tell he was conflicted until the end. That's what for good character development, heroes who aren't flawless like Superman. If you started with QoS, there's really no character to develop. Daniel Craig doesn't need to say a single word in the last three movies, because he's an expressionless drone. Move from point A to point B and kill everything in between.
 

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QoS was trying to come off of a "small scale" but "huge" impact "plot" with a "BIG BAD GUY PLOT" that was so dumb "lets extort people that have literally NOTHING" for the most basic need "WATER" muhhahaha! - QoS had about 1 bond-like scene and that was the stadium scene - it was filmed well, fit in well etc.

Skyfall I think would have worked better before QoS - and QoS would have worked better as a lead up to Specter - as we now know the events of CR, QoS and Skyfall where all "the little guys" pissing around doing their thing all in the grand scheme of specter and none of them where really meant to be "the big one" but the small fringe elements going on that lead up to a huge event or in this case, give credence to a unification/takeover orchestrated by a super large ultra bad guy organization.

And really its not all that, after QoS after Skyfall - all this stuff.. the last 1/4 of Specter STILL stands out as a HUGE WTF, and again not so much the events - we know bond movies often make and play the tropes - but this was overboard for even the cheeseballest of bonds.
 

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Spectre had all the cheese of early bond films (and non-Goldeneye Pierce ones I suppose) but was trying to be as serious as Casino Royale. It made no sense to do it that way. It was SO FUCKING CHEESY but had a frowny face on top the whole way through. The thing is, that can be fine. It's been done fine. But this was the worst approach of multiple approaches of blending two discreet genres together. The entire movie may as well have ended with Bond waking up and saying "oh what a hell of a dream" for how real the whole thing seemed. QoS and Skyfall were at least relatively in the same universe as Casino. QoS had the big problem of literally nothing happening, and Skyfall had distinct styles merged together in a kind of forced way but was still an OK movie overall.
 

Woolygimp

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It may be time to do away with Bond. He's a character from the 50's, and society has changed. Super spy movies may still work, but the old formula needs to a reformation. We need a more character we can relate to, who is vulnerable. As bad as Blackhat was, something more like Chris' Hemsworth character. The Cold War is over.

There's an episode of Star Wars: Deep Space Nine which is basically a comical bond episode set in the holosuit, and it was more entertaining than a lot of Bond movies.
 

radditsu

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It may be time to do away with Bond. He's a character from the 50's, and society has changed. Super spy movies may still work, but the old formula needs to a reformation. We need a more character we can relate to, who is vulnerable. As bad as Blackhat was, something more like Chris' Hemsworth character. The Cold War is over.

There's an episode of Star Wars: Deep Space Nine which is basically a comical bond episode set in the holosuit, and it was more entertaining than a lot of Bond movies.
They then got sued and couldn't do any more of them.
 

Woolygimp

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They then got sued and couldn't do any more of them.
A realistic spy movie today would be about a 25 year old kid who graduated from MIT sitting at a desk in the Arizona desert randomly going through phone calls without a warrant, occasionally joking/sharing with his colleagues when they come across sexual related content like a guy talking about slapping his wife in the face with her favorite dildo. If he actually had a conscious, he'd tell the world about it and then get out of the United States or face death by a firing squad.
 

Amzin

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It's not like Bond movies were representations of spies in the era they started in either.
 

radditsu

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It's not like Bond movies were representations of spies in the era they started in either.
They were a goof. It was fun. Movies can be fun. All our demographics childish fantasies cant be spun into some mature grimdark fantasy hellscape. Why can't there be this semi serious cold war pastiche set of movies? Whats the harm in having them tied in with a specific vision and trope? Connery had the biggest pussy eating grin when he said every line in those movies. Rodger Moore went to the fucking moon and fought a dude with metal teeth. A goof.



And Yes James Bond today would be Edward Snowden, and thats just not very fun.
 

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Which do you guys think is the best Bond Movie?

Thinking back, You Only Live Twice has all the best shit and is basically what Austin Powers is parodying. Ninjas, space ships eating other space ships, Bond becomes Japanese, Bond fucking several women, Bond has a 10 minute fight scene then is knocked out in one karate chop hit, knocking minions through paper walls, strangling minions to death, lethal ninja training, piranha tank, monorails, Blofeld stroking a white cat, hidden volcano lair, ninja invasion, mini helicopter chase, faked death fucking a hooker, secret spy headquaters x2, doomsday countdown, exploding volcano, full Japanese wedding, Blofeld kills a minion boss instead of Bond when he has the chance... oh my god this film...
 
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radditsu

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The one where he fucked Jane Seymour. I think he ran over alligators and had a 45 minute boat chase in the Bayou.
 

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that one also has the redneck sheriff who meets him in thailand i think in a later movie?

For me its gotta be Goldfinger or The Man with the Golden Gun. Goldfinger is the quintessential Bond movie with two chicks dying literally a few minutes after fucking Bond, an insanely idiotic villain and his 60s plan, a fantastic henchman - Oddjob, the mute asian guy who kills people WITH HIS HAT - and the ultimate Bond trope, the villain quipping with Bond in a death trap (laser dick chopper) and then leaving blithely assuming it all works out. Golden Gun has Tattoo the midget and Christopher Lee as a super hairy bad guy.
 

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The Man with the Golden Gun because it's got Christopher Lee in it and Christopher Lee was a fucking badass irl.
 

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It looks like all the speculating about a new Bond was for nothing. At least as far as the next film is concerned. Daniel Craig has signed back on for Bond 25 (technically the 27th bond film). Scheduled for a 2019 release date. Wow. Especially with Spectre being a '15 release.

Bond 25 (2019) - IMDb

EDIT: From Daniel Craig's twitter.


 
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It looks like all the speculating about a new Bond was for nothing. At least as far as the next film is concerned. Daniel Craig has signed back on for Bond 25 (technically the 27th bond film). Scheduled for a 2019 release date. Wow. Especially with Spectre being a '15 release.

Bond 25 (2019) - IMDb

EDIT: From Daniel Craig's twitter.


He sounds so thrilled.
 
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He sounds so thrilled.

He wanted out from before Spectre was what I heard from the cinema blogs. Now I guess he has sort of accepted his fate and the studio got cold feet on the casting calls they were doing.

I'm all set with Idris Elba as Bond. I just don't care for gimmicks and Elba is already saturated in generic heavy action roles for me after all the movies hes done. He has too much movie history to become Bond. Craig, Pierce, etc didn't have the deep rich action movie history of an Elba. They had low mileage on them when it came to action movies.

2 more Daniel Craig's is very comfortable. The names they were throwing around, aside from Elba, were atrocious...Alright, Fassbender piqued my interest just a little. But then they went back to a different black guy (can't remember his name) and I was like, bring back Craig-- STAT!
 
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