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No i'm saying having a "war on whistle blowers" is directly contrary to have a more "free and open" society.

and he wasn't immediatley thrown in jail for it either, you keep missing that part.

Yes all promises must always be kept, honor is not a man made construct and is not misused in any way by authority.

Here's the problem with oaths, the people you make an oath to might not take it as seriously as you do, That was something I learned after noticing most german officers cited their loyalty oath to hitler as the main reason they never did anything to stop him.

what was the "grave damage" snowden caused? the existance of a program will cause grave damage? is that because when rats know they are being watched rats behave differently?

swim in his information like scrooge mcduck swimming through a pile of gold coins? cause he really financially benefitted from all this you know what I mean. Maybe snowden is trying to trade it for putins superbowl ring.

and do what with it?

what did it say?

espionage is exactly what the government does to every person in America. "Espionage or spying involves a government or individual obtaining information considered secret or confidential without the permission of the holder of the information."

RFK to Johnson Why did you kill my brother?

I want to know who was the guy who played the rabbi, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DMzr1roGZY I find the khazar jewish angle the most creative

all those girls are skinnier, and lacking large natural breasts, do you think all asians look alike too?

Football involves too many people, it's more like how good is your managing "team" in football than the individual head coach.

gamestop sells their wired version of an xbox1 controller, the D-pad is oldschool style so you can actually use it for nintendo games ect.

They would just refuse him entry so it's not like he could even travel to UK or france ect. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-8658633.html They have been told: "Carriers should deny boarding. This individual is highly likely to be refused entry to the UK."

^ from movie "network" Ted Talk^(Television conditions the mind for a false reality)

I think you grossly overestimate this angle, and how people view it probably aligns with whatever angle they already had of the person. the government actively has been cracking down on whistle blowers so it's not like there isn't a rational reason to use those routes. The kinds of penalties...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/op...ower-play.html The Syrian regime also provides Russia with a key strategic asset: a deep warm-water port at Tartus. The lack of such a port has plagued Russia's global ambitions for centuries and is said to be one reason behind its invasion of...

If the hammer where to come down there is nowhere to run, America is literally the last bastion of freedom (yemen ain't looking too good)

If anything he should procreate more.

defeatist attitude, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. and "a republic sir, if you can keep it"

Well first of all there is blanket censoring of the press, those dead babies never make it to ABC/CBS Prime time so it can sink into the judgement facilities of the average housewife. Those angles aren't covered by "the press" In fact there is a censoring of the press of ANY civilian casualty...

and falsely concluding that bullying some farmer in idaho they can prevent inner city crime which is what the vast majority of the gun crime comes from. actually activley admiting that the groups are unrelated. what you also don't factor in is that by disarming people who are willing to...

that's why it would be kinda swell if we didn't shit it up for everyone, and please we are talking the majority including WASPs, not a minority, there's plenty of reasons why spying on everyone is worse than picking on a minority. you're pretty close to playing a white mans guilt card there...

they did that to OTHER countries, and i'll argue it's not "legal" legal is very vague there, the total information awareness program was most definitley pretended to be defunded then built in secret how "legal" of it.

That's when progressive liberal democrats shed their most special unicorn tears.

That's going to be a problem in the near future isn't it? Andrew McAfee: What will future jobs look like?

The website PolitiFact gave Obama the dreaded "Pants on Fire" verdict over his FISA court comment, saying he "can't have his cake and eat it, too." http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...e-surveillanc/ 0.033% chance of being struck by lightning in a lifetime > 0.032% chance of FISC denying a...

Don't worry the NSA only spies on "terrorists." In related news, activists now reclassified as terrorists http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/17068-you-terrorist

In 2005, just 13 percent of gun owners were women. Today, that number is 23 percent--a 77 percent increase in 7 years. Read more:http://nation.foxnews.com/female-gun...#ixzz2X4z8qvyP Do liberals hate woman now? a woman should be free to do anything.

None of those things "have to happen" and you are wrong, the murder and crime rate will go up, you will actually make society worse, the police don't ultimatly protect you, and legally can be shown to do and act as such, they just arrest criminals they have no charge to prevent crime. Your...

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-se...ot-act-talking This week the House Intelligence Committee circulated nine talking points to its members explaining why the dragnet collection of innocent Americans' call records is both legal and effective at stopping terrorism. After reviewing the...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/te...nted=all&_r=3& When Max Kelly, the chief security officer for Facebook, left the social media company in 2010, he did not go to Google, Twitter or a similar Silicon Valley concern. Instead the man who was responsible for protecting the personal...

what was the "grave damage" snowden caused?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio 2000 Parliamentary report: a "strategy of tension"[edit] In 2000, a Parliament Commission report from the "Gruppo Democratici di Sinistra l'Ulivo" concluded that the strategy of tension had been supported by the United States to "stop the PCI...

false analogy you can stop subscribing to soe, you can't stop subscribing to the usa, this is the fallacy of equating market capitalism and democracy. also "I just won't spend my life in an uproar. " what about our children, seriously, i've had 2 co workers say the same thing to me...

yeah just the act of responding to ridiculousness is an act of acknowledging it.

yeah it's not a conspiracy, it's "legal creep" it takes decades and it's a slow process, and it's all going in the wrong direction, honestly we need to go in the opposite direction and have our version of glasnost.