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Holy shit yes. Almost anyone should want to group up all of the time. Of course there are exceptions, but the vast majority of players should feel compelled to group up for safety, efficiency, and the potential for loot. I can see where eventually, due to mudflation, PL and Twinking might...

Another guy brought up a good point, that in EQ Trilogy the characters themselves were limited, but the items were not. I just realized why this is was such an important distinction: The twink's gear got better as you leveled. The power of items increased as you grew into them, rather than...

The people backing Pantheon are the very ones who've been railing against this type of restrictive game design for years. People want to be able to twink and uber-buff noobs. Scaling everything down kind of ruins that. People want to wear overpowered gear and be able to turn newbies into...

The bar has been set so low that just being released is a major triumph these days. Also, I liked the stream but thought it was too short, wanted to watch for a couple more hours. I could see improvements since the last stream, so that's good. The new healing "water audio effects" sounds like...

Well that was actually just how EQ was played. I mean, sitting in one spot killing mobs for hours was quite literally the gameplay loop of EQ, so it worked fine when exchanging experience gain with faction gain, and many times we were gaining both faction and experience while having fun with...

I agree. Faction is a really cool and interesting aspect of a virtual world, until it's overused as a gating mechanism for content. Especially repetitive and tedious grinding for faction just to slow the player base down or as a buffer for unfinished content. I don't mind working toward a...

I don't hold anything against the actual guys doing the day to day work at SOE. I know most of the problems were in management, and communication was a serious issue from other stuff I've heard post-DGB buyout exodus. Debuting an obviously console friendly action RPG to a crowd of life long...

VR Porn will probably be the death of humanity. We're going to end up as brains in a jar gambling for quatloos.

Ok, so maybe I went hyperbolic there I admit. I don't hate consoles per se, but taking the original Classic MMO and turning into a console friendly action RPG for the PC is a bit much. EQOA was fine for what it was, but if they'd called that EQ2 and launched it on PC there'd have been...

I'm glad other people saw this too. EQN was a clusterfuck from the very first EQLive reveal. Only 4 skills, and 4 "weapon based skills" available at any given time? Like the 4 buttons on a controller? Can't eaily target or direct heal other players, and the combat is action based and...

DGB would ruin whatever vision Pantheon is attempting, guaranteed. Do you like microtransactions? Hope so, because DBG would love to sell you the things you should earn in game. Some people have less time, but they should have everything too, because time equals money and yada yada fuck you...

This is why corpse runs were such an important part of the thrill. You can always make up exp, but the possibility of losing a year's worth of time and effort you spent acquiring all your rare loot was very real, and very daunting. If you didn't have the correct group balance, there were...

I agree with this right here, especially the multiple items/paths to get items in an open world MMO. Remember in EQ there was almost always only 1 maybe 2 best in slot choices, and that caused the over-camping of the spots these few items dropped. Spread enough different loot out in enough...

I don't preorder games anymore.

Convo was never anything but interested in the game and level-headed about its ups and downs during development as far as I can remember. I'm glad he's onboard, seems like the rational, non-fanboy type of person that could give criticism and feedback when it's needed instead of being a yes man...

I agree that it would be difficult to recapture, but EQ was not my first MMO. I had played UO for a full year or more when I jumped ship for EQ. The thing was, those two games had completely different mechanics. That's really the main problem these days, MMO has become generic by design. We...

What? You didn't just looooove Keeshar? Come on man, everybody loves Jalena and Keeshar! They're not just demo characters created solely to whore out our vaporware. No way! They have fucking names! Bond with us on a real, emotional level!

I started in Felwithe, so I know those roaming Centurians well. Another thing they encouraged was grouping. You would get raped alone, but with your Dwarf Pally bro and that Wiz and his Cleric friend y'all met, guess what! You guys fucked that Cent up and then became emboldened to go find...

Yeah I remember getting wtfpwnd instantly by some uber mobs. I especially liked the sounds of crunching when you were being hit really hard. The audio visual feedback cues were really good in EQ. When something critically hit you or whatever, the sound was that sickening bone breaking crunch...

Y'all got any of them sandy vaginas up in here? Cause penile abrasions is my fetish. I was into fuzzy trolls for a while, but it's all about that sandy vag now y'all.

I tried Vanguard years after it launched, when the servers had already dwindled down to 2 I think. Maybe only 1 but it was fairly late in the game's life that I gave it a go. I played a Disciple and it was a very fun and interesting class. Very very OP though, which is of course fun...

I hear ya mkopec, I was 30 in 1999 myself, worked full time at a major railroad, a true cubicle warrior. I was basically Mr. Anderson in the Matrix without being Neo heh. If you don't have the time you just don't. That's why having choices is so nice, but right now there aren't many choices...

They were going for maximum nostalgia and authenticity. They wanted a time machine, but with decent bandwidth and ping instead of dialup. You know it was actually a former EQClassic forum member that started Project 1999 if I remember correctly, because EQC has been dragging ass for so long...

EQ was like the MMO prototype, and I agree they had no idea what would actually work or in which direction to take the thing they had created. They were literally making it up as they went along. Reminds me of early automobiles: Do we use a steering wheel or these levers, wooden wheels suck...

Reading through the points being made here and I think I just had an epiphany. Classic MMOs were Capitolistic. Modern MMOs are Socialistic. I don't know why this never occurred to me until just now but goddamn if that doesn't sum up our situation. In the EQ era, everyone started with...

So I was in the first alpha test for EQC, and much to my surprise, they just opened up phase two. There's a new test server up, based in Antonica instead of the original tutorial test zone. Since I was in round one, I also have access to round 2 and the new testing forums. I have to find my...

There's definitely some nostalgia going on, but it's more than that for me. I was 30 in 1999 so it's not like I'm pining for the woebegone days of lost childhood, and I was old enough to have very clear memories of it all, so I haven't forgotten how it actually was. I just like that shit man...

I enjoyed WoW from a few months after launch up until the first expansion. It truly felt like the refinement of EQ that we had expected EQ2 would be. I didn't really enjoy the quest based leveling much, but you could just grind mobs back then if you got bored of gathering 10 Murlock penises or...

I played an Enchanter in EQ, so some raiding was fun, like Planes and stuff with lots of CC, up until Velious when they assfucked CC with those retarded 100% magic resist mobs. I still liked teaming up with a bunch of fairly skilled players and taking out targets ASAP when they popped, porting...

The greatest irony of all is that Pantheon is literally the only upcoming MMO I'm even slightly interested in checking out. That's pretty messed up. I mean, as far as I know, there is nothing else. Honestly, I couldn't even name another MMO in development right now. I'm not sure if that...

Word. I played UO on Catskills back in 98-99 or so. I still remember a nemesis named Sphincter. That's almost 20 years ago and I remember this PK enemy name from back then. When you have server reputation, a player can actually become a character, and gain fame or infamy through their...

I'm old as fuck, almost 50, been a gamer for 40 years. I hate shitty graphics. However, it's more about the artistic style than polycount most of the time. Vanguard SoH had computer melting graphic specs, with polys and shaders and shadows and whatever, but to my eyes it looked like shit...

Well it's certainly newer news. This is very cool and really interesting. Wasn't Allen a lead on WoW itself?

Rob Pardo forms his own studio, About Us | Bonfire Studios and takes a lot of talent with him. Now Metzen retires, within 24 hours. What's up?