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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    The best part, and I know you've seen it too, there are quite a few saying they can't wait till the KS ends and it's only "real fans we have to talk with on the closed paid forums". Out of touch doesn't define it. They completely miss the fact that their little closed circle of a 1000 or...
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    EQN:Landmark Beta Starts March 26th!

    Yeah there's guaranteed claim wipe for the two day headstart for Trailblazers at the least (end of closed beta before open beta ). As you said maybe more between now and then.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Then they didn't need you to start with , you are just a hater , you are just a troll , you are too negative and we don't want you around , Brad shouldn't have to show you anything , you are asking for too much , LOL TEE HEE this is getting made without you anyway , Brad knows what he's doing...
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    EQN:Landmark Beta Starts March 26th!

    I would think it's got to be on the table with the many times they have said they are releasing the full tools used for making EQN.
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    You obviously have far more experience with the game than me ,but I was thinking the same. My guess is big push with PC sales , subs fall off good bit but they keep it sub based till console launch (isn't that this summer) , sub for at least one month after that , then F2P. I was guessing F2P...
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    EQN:Landmark Beta Starts March 26th!

    I realize it's far down the road map of tool releases and phases , but have there been any mentions of which phase/or when there will be mob creation ? I'm sure it's open beta but I was wondering if they have hinted at any rough timeline like Summer or Fall or whatever ? It's got to be in at...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I was wondering when someone was going to point out the same thought I was having. How the fuck are they having so many problems keeping a forum up ? Speaks volumes to the future of brad running this company and getting shit done on time and correctly. (we all know damn well they are...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    From the kickstarter forums: "The private site is the best way to advertise for the Kickstarter" and same poster , "SOE was to blame for the mess that happened with Vanguard , not Brad". I almost want to kick in 15/month on the private site to see the "Champion Forums" , it really would be...
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    Last beta I did was months ago (fall) when in very much rougher state. What little playtime I've had lately been mucking around EQL. My fence sitting has leaned towards yes if I go in expecting fully to play for a month , maybe two and just enjoy what I can out of it. I figure I'm a launch...
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    For me solve that problem by also taking out any cut scenes in any mmo also :P (and yes I realize I may be in the minority on that , but I need zero cut scenes or voice acted quests , let me read the lore if I want , but don't take me out of the virtual world to tell me a story in my mmo)...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Ah , I assumed that came from MS , but that could be it.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Seriously though , how did Jacobs have 2 million to throw in to his Camelot Unchained , and Brad jack ?
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    I guess my thing is why not spend every dime and moment spent on all the voice quests on something like a larger world for an mmo ? Just an annoyance and waste of money and dev time to me. Goes overall to the judgement of the team in ways to me , if they think voice acting is super...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    [Here is what the 15 dollars a month will get you: - Interact with friends and guildmates on the social hub. - Create or join guilds or groups. - Read and reply to public areas of the forums and wikis. - Special Champion color in the social hub, chat room and forums. - Reply and offer...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    See I was willing to give him a chance even after that because I so want a game like this. But the problem now is I so want a game like this and judging by the KS management some things seem to not change. Sigh. But on a positive note I can revel in folks on the Kickstarter Forum...
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    #2 Seems minor but it absolutely irritates the shit out of me too. Being able to blacken the background on chat and make it never fade should always be an option , I can't stand it without it. #5 Has no one learned from SWTOR ? Voice acting matters for shit in an mmo , and is a hindrance in...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Quaid not busting you balls about it , genuinely curious , if the KS fails you going to go for 45 on the private site (if there's an alpha tier around that level )? I've seen many folks on the new forums suggest they raise alpha access tier to get more money , no idea if they will or not.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Will need to watch the comments on the KS forum that last couple of hours also , will range from raging at the world for not believing in Brad to "we didn't need Kickstarter anyway".
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Of a like mind on this also, and it sucks , I used to love everything from Betrayal at Krondor in DOS days to Baldur's Gate 2 I think was the last single player rpg I really enjoyed. MMO's ruined it for me. Even when soloing it just seems more fun to see other folks running around the same...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Wonder if they will have a public ticker on the private site to show the amount of funding they get once the Kickstarter ends next Sat. If so wonder how much padding it will have to shine it up for potential "angel investors" perusing gaming sites to drop 4-8 million on randomly. (that's...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    It took 10 guys from Sept till mid January to come up with that Kickstarter and it's content. I'm beginning to think Microsoft in 06 had good reason to say fuck this, we are out on VG.
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    The Elder Scrolls Online

    So most of the reviews I've seen that seem to be ok with it and planning to buy it also mention it's unlikely a sub for them for very long. That the general impression many of you have ? Buy it and play a month or so but not paying the 15/month for long ?
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Don't forget SLASH!!!! as the very first image example we saw on the KS. Put your best foot forward and all.........Wise decision
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    He didn't post on his own Kickstarter site for over a week and suddenly tweeted out randomly asking for angel investors. There's nothing here that compares to the outrageous and stupidity coming from The Man himself. It's now train wreck entertainment unfortunately. No shit needs to be...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Well to be fair , if you do that you are tagged as a "Champion" on said forums , makes all the difference in the world.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I never thought it would be , I got the vibe closer to VG2 than EQ3 , which I would be fine with. Well that's why I originally pledged , once I saw the ability to complete this project was not there at all ,I knew neither was going to happen anyway.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Pretty much this. Using Jacob's CU as a comparison shows that yes , the quality of the KS does play a huge role in this. Jacobs got 15k people to give over 2 million for an old school PVP game. EQ (and PVE in general over PVP for mmos) both have far more fans than DAOC ever did, yet Brad's...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I genuinely think he is still in this mode and hasn't learned his lesson on the Kickstarter. I believe his plan in his head is ok , get 200k from folks private website funding , do some very early stuff so I can show a little more , and someone will want to buy us up and fund us into the...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Again as a direct example in the same range. Camelot Unchained by City State Entertainment Kickstarter Camelot Unchained The CU Kickstarter doesn't even have all that much more content on it , but it's better organized and looks better ,and from the beginning it did. Comparing the...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    No you are right and I have to be honest , when I was putting a few hundred pledge in the Kickstarter I knew also there was a decent chance this game wouldn't be made , but it just seemed like if they got 800k publicly through KS , then went to private funding and so on , there was a reasonable...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Really all that needs to be said about how out of touch and clueless he is isn't it ? He thinks the KS page is quality. It's shit, it's pure shit. It's terrible compared to most every other comparable KS page in this price range. And many much less than that. I don't care what magical ability...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Missed my point , in no way was I saying they could actually pump out real game , I meant it's engine and tools will let them throw some really rough shit together quickly , enough to try and drag every dime out of the folks on the private forum and site , until that drys up and then quit. It...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    With the Unity Engine , it will be quite easy for them to put some really basic shit up after a few months and say "hey we tried but ran out of money".
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    You don't think being privy to the "Champions Lounge" for Pantheon is worth 500'ish?
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    You know, he obviously thought throwing up a half-assed Kickstarter site would net him a million just because of his name, it's quite possible he believes if he can get a few bucks to get a very rough early game going that someone is just going to pick them up and fund the rest because of the...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Yeah , I couldn't help but go and look at it. They've got the "Champions Lounge" all rev'd up and ready to go for the folks willing to give Brad 15/month on top of whatever money for whatever tier so they can be part of a locked forum subsection only for those paying the extra amount. My...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    So out of the rest of the team, surely there was someone with more common sense that saw the Kickstarter was not ready and in a terrible state, they can't all be that clueless about day to day things that are easy to grasp. Why did none of them speak up and tell Brad, this shit sucks, we've...
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    EQN:Landmark Beta Starts March 26th!

    I haven't even done a claim yet , just digging shit and running around what playtime I had. Maybe when they go to closed beta and more servers we really all could pick a server and general area to plop claims down in just to be in the same area. Especially at early launch , I'll definitely...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Seriously Flex , agree. I'm disappointed in obviously it's not going to happen due to the fuckups, and I can't help but take my digs too , I get what you are saying. I can't help but feel a little sorry for him going through another public debacle like this even one of his own making. I'm...
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    EQN:Landmark Beta Starts March 26th!

    I saw mentioned in notes at least a brief remark about PVP in the future, I had no idea this was planned at all for any part of EQL , only EQN. It would be great if so or did I take that out of context ?