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Draegan: well if you hate travelling and you're playing a quest treadmill game that's forcing you to travel back and forth 100 times for every area.... I guess I can see why you hate travelling. And mkopkec, I agree. It's definitely a drag. I'm not really sure anybody likes having 50...

Fair enough. Well, either way I think we went off on a tangent with this discussion. I don't even remember what the real argument is :/ Lets get back to something more important.

Well the point is you're always running somewhere. There is always a travel destination in mind, be it in the same zone or not (which could still be large, think Barrens). There is no let up in that. It's constantly forced upon you throughout every single minute of the entire game all the way...

Dude...you're CONSTANTLY running somewhere in WoW. That is undeniable. You are either running to the next quest giver or the next quest mob. Rinse and repeat.

When I played Everquest I never felt travel was tedious but that was probably because when I set out to go somewhere........ I planned on being there for days. If I was in NFP and I was planning a trip to Unrest, I would gather things that I thought I would need for at least a good 3-4 days of...

Well it's just a matter of keeping those things relevant which is a whole nother topic but I also think that can be done too. Lets take Lodizal just as a small example. I don't remember what his drops were but I remember him being highly sought after for quite a while - perhaps the whole...

I disagree and I think it can be done in an interesting way. Your examples sounded pretty horrible to me though. So maybe your idea of it is not the same as mine. Putting mobs in the way is not the solution. Events like protecting a random caravan is not interesting. Finding a rare spawn...

I don't know if you need a dungeon finder or not. You can attract people to dungeons very easily by offering mobs inside the entrance that are difficult but solo-able, offer decent exp and an extremely rare chance to drop something like a runebranded girdle in Sebilis. Actually, Sebilis did it...

It's a good question Draegan and on the same note: IF you did have long travel; do you make travel AUTOMATED or do you force the player to have to control his character? 1. If it's to be automated, you need a lot of interesting things for the player to do while he/she rides whatever they're...

The problem is in the end you're still destroying mobs in your sleep. That de-values your item....it means that much less. Not to mention your item (+stats and +exp) is boring as fuck. Does anyone even notice? Oh wait that's right you didn't group with anybody except for 6 minutes to...

You are right, perhaps in a quest treadmill centric type of MMO like all the ones we have today it may not be as enjoyable. Similarly the MMOs today are far too easy/fast for it to really be enjoyable as well. Just another reason to hate the WoW mold.

What do you guys think of No-Drop items? I personally hate them. I think being able to twink a character is a privilege I should be awarded after having leveled a character to max level and spending time obtaining gear for him. That's a very enjoyable part of the game to me that current day...

I was just thinking the same thing a few days ago when I was thinking about player interaction. I like incentive to interact with and negotiate/do business with other players. The fee thing is a good idea. I'm not going to sell a Cloak of Flames for 50k plat at a 10% fee in the AH if I can...

If history repeats itself for the 30th time, I will not be receiving a beta invite. Why do I never get into betas?

Amnesia is $5 (75% off) on Steam right now until February 21st.

I had a voodoo2 I think....It ran EQ well enough. My biggest problem was my internet connection........56k dialup that really only connected at 28.8k but felt more like 22k or some shit. Was fine solo and grouping but lagged to hell and back during raids.

With mega titles like Starcraft, Diablo and Warcraft already in their pockets, Blizzard had a MONSTER pool of gamers eagerly awaiting something like WoW. It was the perfect stage for Blizzard to catapult the MMO scene into what it became. They were very good at making good games and everyone...

I still remember lagging out during raids before they implemented the chat filters. My 28.8k modem would get flooded out with all the text. Fun times.

I liked what you said here and it reminds me of my first character (rogue) and really enjoying starting to watch my character slowly get better at double attacking and dual weilding. Eventually seeing those double and triple attacks and finally quad attacks. It's really fun to see your...

Lmfao... All it's missing is the 1 person that fucks up and screws it up for everybody.

Which ones do you speak of? I feel like we've had a lot of WoW clones (loosely speaking) with improvements in some areas, failures in other areas but nothing I would really define as re-inventing the genre. It's all subjective of course so it's tough to say what exactly re-inventing the genre...

I feel like this is my only glimmer of hope in the MMO genre. I'm pretty excited about it even though I know I shouldn't be. I mean, I'm not excited that this is my ONLY hope, but that there IS a hope. I'm officially done with the WoW model or anything close to it. As such, the mmorpg genre...

Agreed. I personally am not happy with the direction some mmo's are going in when it comes to combat. I don't want an action rpg where I have to dodge attacks and aim fireballs and shit like that. I liked your "Deep chess style" analogy and I feel like that's what I want too but I have a...

So I tried an EQ emulator last night for my first time ever (PEQ) and in roughly 2 hours it made me further realize just some of the other smaller social aspects of MMO's that are missing in todays MMOs. These are small things but as I remember them now, I made many friends and relationships...

If everyone just copied what the guy did before, we'd be nowhere. Which is kinda what's happened with MMO's since WoW. You have to go against the grain sometimes. Usually that means lots of resistance until people eventually go "wow, I do kinda like this!". All we have is a shit ton of...

I agree on your points about what is missing.

You could always do first person as a primary means of enjoying the game to enjoy "the experience". Then allow 3rd person camera modes for when you want to see yourself or for those that choose to play in 3rd person the whole time. Sort of like EQ did, except EQ didn't really do first person...

First person can be enjoyable and truly immersive, but nobody has really emphasized it and done it REALLY well yet in the MMO scene. So I feel like that's something that can be explored. Mirrors Edge isn't an mmo but it was a step in the right direction. You could see your body/limbs and...

Meh, maybe not big time but it definitely doesn't add immersion.

Mkopec, I'm not sure I agree with you on the long travel thing. What is defined by long travel? Can you get anywhere in the game in less than an hour? I haven't played WoW in a long time but I'm pretty sure you can get anywhere in the game in like 20 minutes. To me that's not long travel...

No-leashing in Everquest actually helped create another layer of community and social aspect of the game. You remembered the douchebags that trained you, you were able to inflict harm on other groups if they screwed with yours, you respected those 2 guys that helped your group de-rail a train...

How was EQ not sandbox? You basically spawned and went wherever the hell you wanted to go with zero regard for quest "hubs" and "quest flow" progression. Maybe I'm not understanding the "Sandbox" term but I never felt like I was on Rails in Everquest. I basically went wherever and did...

I used to idle at the West Freeport gate JUST to hear the music and admire my character in all his glory (whilst doing other things like chatting with guild members and /ooc). The music made me feel so badass. Especially in front of all the newbies running around (which probably weren't...

It will be very tough to knock this off GOTY for me too. Its been such a long time since I've enjoyed a game this much. I kinda feel like a kid again. It's awesome

5 hours in, everything about this game screams top notch. I haven't found anything I don't like about it yet. Seriously cannot wait to get home from work to play again. I haven't played a really good JRPG in a long time, so this is a nice breath of fresh air for me. I've read everything in...

I just picked a copy up off the shelf at BestBuy about 30 minutes ago and it was the last one on the shelf. Not sure if they had more in the back though. Probably...

I played this a little yesterday and I was pretty impressed. The graphics are top notch and the gameplay seems fun so far. I basically just made it through the beginners guide and picked my school (Shaolin). Has anyone done any grouping in this game? It wasn't immediately obvious to me if...

Same here...haven't used my ps3 in forever. I will be dusting it off for this title for sure. Its the #1 top seller for PS3 before even having come out.