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And? There are many examples as you move up the line. Someone else already mentioned Rhaegar and Leanna, too. I just keep seeing random dipshits going ape over the writers fucking up this evidently core tenant of the lore, when very nearly the first thing we see in GoT is an exception to it.

"Writer's room"...you mean George? The Targs are incestuous but not at all exclusively so. FFS one of the first scenes of GoT is Danny being married off to a barbarian.

All of that is exactly why it's bonkers to get wrapped up in cast / crew interviews, tweets, convention appearances, post-show blathering, etc like so many here do. Had this show magically dropped out of the sky and you viewed it in a vacuum, how hard would you have to work to draw any sort of...

I finished the first four and so far it's held my interest. The "fight" with Lucifer was bizarre and reminded me of some dumb shit I'd do with my friends at recess in second grade. "Yeah well I'm Superman and I just used my super speed to fly right through your brain so I win!" Eh... By far the...

Is it confirmed that there's no Celeborn in this or is that just speculation? Would that mean Elrond cucks Durin, bangs the black Dorf, and Arwen will be played by Rashida Jones in season 2?

Well considering this show is essentially GoT at the point when the writers ran out of source material to copy from, good luck with that.

My understanding is that the Tolkien Estate retains the rights to The Silmarillion, however, Amazon is permitted to reference and use it on a case-by-case basis, subject to review and approval by the estate. I think that's a largely a good thing. That means we could potentially see some material...

To be fair I don't think he's talking about their haircuts.

A former coworker / buddy of mine saw this at the NYC premier. He has absolutely dick-all to do with the show, but I guess his company does work with Amazon in some capacity and they were allowed to send a couple people. While not exactly a scholar on the source material I’d consider him at...

As I mentioned above, I expect it to be "good" in parts and surely some of the landscapes and visuals will be impressive. Unless they completely and utterly trash the backstories and go in fully different directions it would almost have to be. But I'm also anticipating a large amount of nonsense...

New trailer: So I guess they're using Finrod's death as a springboard into a Galadriel revenge story. Fair enough. Tolkien certainly made it clear that she was one of the most powerful Elves in all of Middle Earth and she became a key rival of Sauron, but then I certainly don't remember her...

I randomly saw the Howard Shore / Bear McCreary soundtrack pop up on Amazon Music this morning and I listened to most of it while working. Whatever pile of nonsense the show turns out to be, the music is really good. It's a nice tonal match to the LoTR films at points without ever sounding like...

Much of season 1 is largely slow as shit and above-average TV at best. Season 2 starts things going in a better direction and season 3 is where it hits legendary status. Unless you absolutely hate it, untwist your panties and keep going.

That's a clip from the SNL parody, yes?

Gary has the benefit of having died before cable news and the internet existed.

I don't disagree with that at all, but they won't stop because it generates traffic, and it's also just as stupid to concern yourself with the opinions of these people, because if you don't, lo and behold, you can then take whatever you're watching at face value and "allow your brain" to form...

Yeah but then that resulted in one of the most hilariously dumb lines in the whole series of movies / shows. "Only a sith speaks in absolutes!"

So what? Why such concern over the opinion of some dopey actor reading words on a page? It's a rebellion story. Anyone who's allowed their brain to devolve into framing everything into team politics can make that backdrop conform to whatever "side" they're on. Empire = fascist Trump could just...

I don't watch any of the cartoons, but if that's the case, then her incompetence would be the retcon, as she was simply a "female in a power role" as the leader of the rebel alliance in RoTJ.

At what point in the OT did she get captured?

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Yeah, you're right, because Princess Leia didn't exist in the OT, the entire rebel alliance wasn't run by a woman, and the makeup of the Empire's leadership wasn't 100% white Englishmen.

Yeah that looks pretty good even though I didn't think the character in R1 was all that interesting. Maybe The Mandalorian will actually have some company outside of the shit pile.

Well it's not every day that your pregnant wife suddenly realizes she fucked her brother and kills herself along with your son / nephew.

I never got around to reading Children of Hurin, I just remember the Turin / Hurin stuff from The Silmarillion and UT. What exactly does Amazon even have the rights to? All of it now that Christopher is dead? I mentioned earlier that out of everything in the books, Turin's chapter and Beren /...

No. What are they changing about them? I know virtually nothing about this show beyond some pictures and the trailers. Based strictly on those, Galadriel and Elrond largely look fine to me and I have no idea what Celeborn looks like in this so I don't know if I've even seen him yet, never mind...

Not really, because so far I have absolutely no idea what this show is actually changing beyond one obscure character from the lore who is apparently now brown instead of white. It's clear that they are adding a fuck ton of shit, and some (most?) of it will surely be stupid, but even if the show...

Not even remotely accurate. I've said multiple times that I consider Jackson's LoTR reasonably faithful to the source material, despite a multitude of changes. It really seems like most of you have never actually read The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, etc. That's all well and good, but if you...

That's fine, and you should then be in agreement that a faithful adaptation of The Silmarillion is virtually unfilmable.

I imagine this is a very common occurrence for you. I'm sorry. Either you leave it out and somehow still have a compelling narrative-format show (practically impossible), or, at best, you make it up and actually do a good job of it and almost none of it would be Tolkien. You're squarely in fan...

The Silmarillion in particular is essentially an encyclopedia of mythology ordered chronologically rather than alphabetically. There are a few short stories thrown in that in themselves might potentially make for decent standalone TV shows in very skilled hands, but they're the exception. If...

I don't disagree with any of that. If they're truly interested in a "clean slate" then they can go and invent their own mythology and convince another billionaire to bankroll a show about it. It's just that realistic expectations around any dramatic / narrative format show based on these...

Only if you can't read. I'm saying (again) that a faithful adaptation of this particular source material into a dramatic TV format is not possible. That doesn't mean that I expect Sauron's jock strap to be period-accurate at all times or else all bets are off. There are degrees, and in this...

No, you illiterate dipshit. I'll break it down further, since reading is hard. Jackson's LoTR films, particularly Fellowship, were largely faithful to the overall structure, narrative, and spirit of the books. Plenty of material was left out by necessity, the action scenes were protracted, and...

Even if diversity casting was 100% not a thing and every character in this was true to their book descriptions, no dramatic TV show or movie format is going to be faithful to The Silmarillion or The Unfinished Tales. It's impossible. The books are largely made up of huge sections of exposition...

That would mean you've shared the only thing of value in the last several pages.

Umm, I don't know who you have me all twisted up with, but I am not advocating for any of this. I'm simply saying that, based on what I've seen of it so far, I largely don't care. I've said several times that I expect the show to suck for reasons outside of diversity casting. Both of these...

Not in the post that I responded to, which was itself in response to a general statement about "a diverse cast", which would also include the black human who has generated a lot of consternation here. You added your qualifiers later. And again, elves and "men" were capable of breeding with each...

Learn to read. I claimed no such thing. I responded to an explicit statement that connected "basic biology" to a world in which the term means something vastly different than it does in the real one. But even if you limit whatever "basic biology" means in a wholly fantastical world to simple...