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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Here is a video of Brad's new Producer, Lorraine's, game. It's called Chariots, and focuses on becoming the best Christian chariot racer in all of Rome! (Not making this up.) Chariots - short clips - YouTube Copyright 2008. (You read that right - 2008.)
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    EQN:Landmark Beta Starts March 26th!

    You basically get to be Brad McQuaid. The only difference is you'll have something concrete to show other people after working for four months.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    On the positive side, with EQN: Landmark's alpha release, Brad and team now have a platform full of rich art assets where they can build their own MMO. I bet Boogie will even harvest some granite and sandstone for him.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I have to say, I would love to read the inside story of what happened during Brad's most recent tenure at SOE. Sounds like he was brought on to work with the EQ team, was then put in charge again of Vanguard, SOE decided to consolidate to put all of its resources into EQN, and Brad + a boatload...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Well, Bieber and McQuaid both like fancy cars and opiates, so it's not THAT far a stretch.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I actually think that if ForceGaming and Francis/Boogie get on this and advertise it to their members, there's actually a pretty damn good chance it DOES get funded. I'm as shocked as anyone, but right now I think the chances are more likely it gets funded and winds up being either a complete...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    And this, by the way, is the first post in support of Pantheon that I agree with 100%. And that's why all of us should be pissed at the shitshow Brad has put on. His incompetence is threatening something we all want.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Let me apologize, because you actually impress me. I'm simply amazed you can type with both hands wrapped so firmly around Aradune's longsword as they have been for the past two hundred pages.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    That's the thing. I absolutely believe that subscription CAN make more than free to play, obviously, but in order to do that you need a giant base of customers who thinks that your game is superior to the competition, since its only the rare gamer that will play two MMOs with subscriptions at...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    LotRO: Gamasutra - Turbine: Lord of the Rings Online Revenues Tripled As Free-To-Play Game
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Global Agenda: Global Agenda free-to-play gets five times the players, revenues | PC Gamer We done yet?
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Am I really guessing? Gamasutra - Going Free Boosts Turbine's DDO Revenues 500 Percent One example. I can find countless others.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    You're an idiot. Every single one of the games I listed that was originally subscription-based is making more money now than they were when they shifted their model to free-to-play. Every single one. There was a reason they went free to play to begin with - their current financial model of...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    We'll see how EQN turns out. I'm still holding a candle for it, mainly because I think emergent AI combined with a really strong PVP and NPC-faction (similar to EQ) system and sandbox-driven emergent-gameplay elements could turn out to be something incredible. It could also turn out to be...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Age of Conan. Aion. Dungeons and Dragons Online. Global Agenda. Lord of the Rings Online. Neverwinter. RIFT. Star Trek Online. TERA. Those are all free to play. They're all making money. Do you have an excuse for each one of those too?
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Should we take this one existentially? Why are any of us here? Or if you mean literally, I suppose I'm enjoying the schadenfreude. This thread is far more entertaining than Pantheon will ever be. (Oops, that's 25 now.)
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    What do you think the "A" stands for in "tad". Trevor Arrogant-Asshole Dewey?
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Just as an FYI - the entire city of Freeport, from the layout of the roads to the exact positioning of the shops and docks, was an EXACT carboncopy of Waterdeep in TorilMUD. Wish I could find a map of it so you could compare. When I say exact, I mean EXACT.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    And if Brad hadn't done this before - EQ, Vanguard - and was just some random scrub behaving like he currently is, his project wouldn't have ever crossed the $10,000 mark.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Fair enough. I still think Brad is a moron, charlatan, and hack though, and someone who doesn't deserve to have his project funded based on the drivel of shit he's put out since this entire thing started.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Let's run an experiment. Everyone go to the Kickstarter forums and make hundreds of posts complaining about cross-server play. If they don't come out with an update in 72 hours "clarifying" the cross-server comments to not actually mean cross-server, I will make an entire thread dedicated to...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Their PR guy came out and said: "We've put all of the stuff we have on the kickstarter already. We're trying to generate as much stuff as possible now and are putting it up as soon as we can." I'm believing the worst because every single thing they've done, up to now, has been the worst...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    And, you know what, that's fine. I'm not unhappy that people have something they feel they can rally behind. The only question at this point is if I get to walk around with a smug little grin saying, 'I told you so' in late February or in 2017.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Exactly. Especially since thinking without planning was the Vanguard Story. And probably would have been the EQ story as well, except for the fact that they took 90% of the actual game design from TorilMUD where it had already been a proven concept over six years.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    You don't find it the least bit curious that on one day they release a class list, over the next twenty four hours there are hundreds of kickstarter comments complaining about the lack of a non-faith-based warrior class, and then the next day they release a class update that is significantly...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Give me a break, Convo. I know you really want this game to succeed, but I've read your posts and you're a smart guy - take off the McQuaid-colored goggles. First, when it comes to clarity of vision, EQN is in a totally different ballpark than Pantheon. In fact, Brad should have looked hard...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    On the plus side, if you get enough people to sign on to this idea and bitch about it in the kickstarter comments, it's guaranteed to make it in as one of the enchanter specializations. See to it!
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    The Crusader class write-up and specializations feature language that is either an exact quote or paraphrase of many of the QQ comments in the Kickstarter about the lack of a warrior class. There were people bitching about how they didn't want to follow a god. What do we get? "Proficient in...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    At least then it would be as brown as the rest of the shit that flows from his 'vision.'
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Whatever they come up with in their meeting tonight, and likely as a response to whatever whines they see on the Kickstarter comments. (e.g. "I want a warrior not a paladin.") Making it up as they go. PS: The writing style and grammar/mechanics of the combat update was hilarious. I've...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    You have a truly amazing ability to state things with such a level of aggression that they appear like you A) know what you're talking about, or B) are facts rather than hypotheticals or opinions. That said: if Vanguard was profitable under a subscription model, they wouldn't have...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Vanguard just announced it was shutting down after being run at a financial loss for the entirety of its seven-year run. SWTOR sold over a million boxed copies, went free-to-play, and since then has been making a strong amount of money for EA with regular patch and expansion content as a...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Brad's been posting on the Kotaku article about Pantheon, and some of it is pretty humorous. I like this quote from him, responding to someone calling him out for not ever being in the Sigil offices during Vanguard development: "The 'months' before launch I was out constantly talking to...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Smedley is doing an AMA today in just over an hour. Someone should ask him if he has a secret deal to fund Pantheon.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    It's amazing to me that some people are excited over this class update. I look at it and it's yet another sign of McQuaid and Friends' incompetence. They are so very clearly making this up as they go along. Before yesterday they had no idea that they were going to have class specializations...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    AV wasn't until 1.5. But yes, it was awesome. I'd sign up for games in the morning, AFK out a few hours later to run errands, and come back later on and the same match would still be going.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Guild Wars 2 wasn't actually that different. Solo/zerg rush to level cap. Do shitty dungeons for loot. Do WvW for loot. No raids because we didn't think through our combat system enough to support something like this. Monthly story updates for the casuals.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Please stop being mean. I'm one of the staff members of Visiona... I mean I'm a girl.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Let's just say that EQ is far more derivative of TorilMUD than WoW was of EQ. And my argument isn't against derivation, as much as it is about the fact that 1) when you're copying and pasting things like skill lists, entire zones (Freeport's map looked identical to TorilMUD's City of Waterdeep)...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    You mean TorilMUD class design. See my post above yours.