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SWTOR was a failure in almost everyone's eyes, especially the investors. STWOR was regularly touted as the real WoW killer, and if anyone had a chance to do that it was SWTOR. The fact that they failed, especially with the Star Wars IP behind them, is why nobody talks about WoW killers anymore...

Flames and Rants boards in early EQ were half of the reasons to play that game. DRAMA BABY!... it rules all.

Yep, And the people who move to the new servers will be pissed off and lonely next month. It's the same story for every new mmo.

Well, as I said, as long as it's not overdone. I loved the epic quests, they needed crafting help, but it wasn't too outrageous in the crafting portion. And it was minor in the overall arc of the quest. On the dark side of that type of quest was the standard rotation that every expansion went...

Regular crafted aye. But the gear that required rare drops off of mobs and a decent crafter to finish were cool. As long as it wasn't overdone. My favorite quests are still the original epics in EQ. I generally don't care for questing, but those were a lot of fun. And when you finally finished...

Heheh, been thinking about giving WoW another go (new models coming, etc). But this game is similar in style, so thought I might try it instead. The early posts in this thread were so upbeat. Guess that boat has sailed.

Lol, listening to Abe rant about EQ is hilarious. Abe acts like he was butt raped repeatedly by moss snakes, rats, and the like, and never got over it. Never got into a group, never went on a successful raid and was laughed off the server. Rep mattered back then. Really dude, let it go. You...

Even with their recent sub losses WoW still rules the mmo world. I think they realize they have lighting in a bottle and it would be next to impossible to do it again. Plus any MMO they put out would hurt WoW's sub numbers more than anyone elses. It makes more business sense to keep improving...

I'm surprised they thought that. Even in EQ, most players were not in high end raiding guilds, nor did they want to be. But EQ had a ton of content for everyone so it didn't matter. WoW learned that lesson well. They catered to both casuals and hardcore. plus adding viable pvp, and it worked...

QFT Install the original every now and then. Not sure why that game works so well. So many things they did I didn't usually approve of (no joystick? BLASPHEMY!), but it's still fun.

Yep. Main was a War at release, etc. Easy to play, a lot of fun, great in a small group roaming in WvW, great solo pve, etc etc. Just loved that toon. Problem was so did everyone else. Knew the nerf bat was coming, surprised it took this long. Imo the main problem with warriors is that they...

This is getting away from the current level / progress discussion, but for me it is actually more important. Big Pet Peeve in every MMO. What kills me is not new content, levels, or abilities, or any of that.It's my fucking bank. Start up an old mmo, just want to kill some mobs and get...

This isn't my fondest memory but it happened to survive the purple haze. Just recalled it while reading the EQNext thread. We were one of the first guilds in Vex Thall (EQ Luclin..). Brutal, brutal place at first, very unforgiving. The second place guild on the server was still butt hurt at...

I agree. And I'm looking forward to trying EQNext's attempt at it. There definitely is room for improvement over the old model.

etchazz is correct though. I'm as casual as the next guy these days, like many of us here. Just at a different stage of life and can't afford the time anymore. Would I like to be able to play again in an endgame guild who rules the server? Sure, but it isn't going to happen in any game that...

Which people want "artificial time restraints". Does anyone here admit to that? Most people like competition, it's part of human nature, we strive to be better. Caving to the casual crowd that only want's content that every slug can play just makes a slow, boring and ultimately empty game...

This is the goal of all casual games but as Daidraco says in his later post it just doesn't work, in real life or in games. In real life for the obvious reasons and in games because it is boring.

heh... heh... ..... The game doesn't need my support. You've got a bunch of drooling idiots with more dollars than sense throwing thousands of dollars at it. And the devs designed the rewards to sucker them in. There is a subset of human beings who just can not control themselves when...

Zero in. Would have helped if I thought they needed it but with all the fanatics running around throwing thousands of dollars at this..

This. MMOs are about character advancement, building your toon to be more and more powerful so as to take on stronger challenges. It doesn't matter what you call it, in the end it's still just another version of levels. That isn't to say they can't do a better job of it. The classic...

Considering the amount of drugs smoked in those days, if you remember it, then you weren't really there.

I don't have a problem with the idea of it, especially since I am so over the old model. Been doing the mmo tours recently and just can't get into it. Almost every mmo, new or old, follows the old standard that EQ started, and it bores me to tears. Downloaded the Archage beta recently and was...

The Cartman is strong in this thread..

Well if you can't be neutral maybe you should just not comment.... See whut I did thar? The point is that this forum has a ton of very opinionated posters, you included. Why should he not post? Don't have a dog in this horse race... too early to care one way or the other. But your venom...

If it's the same issue then my opinion of TRION will drop to zero. I let them slide on the last time but letting it happen twice is amatuer BS. It's most likely the usual suspects though.

Don't role play myself, but I usually create an alt or two on role play servers in whatever game I'm trying. Some of the players are very good and can add greatly to the experience. The best were the orc and goblin role players in Warhammer. They were hilarious.

Well, to be fair the game Underjoyed is describing hasn't been released since EQ (possibly vanilla WoW). Perhaps Vanguard fit the bill somewhat, but another important factor in releasing a game is that it actually plays on most machines, and Vanguard didn't. So it is possible that...

I loved factions in EQ in just about every way, especially Velious. And I hate hard coded factions in just about every way. There was a lot about EQ factions that could have been done much better, but no other game did it as well because they didn't even try. Fuck hard coded factions, it is...

I love melee, almost everyone does. But the tough truth is that range is what real war is mostly about. The evolution of war is away from melee to rock throwers, then archers, then cannon, etc, etc. So that now we have 20 year old video game addicts camped out in trailers blasting towel...

I don't recall if he is still in San Diego or not. But if he is then 2k doesn't even cover basic food, etc. Damn expensive place to live, huuge sunshine tax out here.

/shrug I don't have any issues with them calling this EQ 3 or Next or what have you. Final Fantasy has reinvented themselves many times now and sometimes to great effect. So calling it EQ again even though it is so different really doesn't matter, it's just a marketing ploy and a smart one...

While I agree with you about this being EQ. Pulling out the neckbeard term all the time makes me laugh, most of the people on this board, including you, are neckbeards when judged by the public at large.

Heheh, that made me chuckle. I'm bound to be disappointed in EQNext, even though I will try to be open minded when it is released. Just too many memories of how it use to be and all that. Even if the game isn't what I would prefer, I hope it is a huge success. Way too early to make...

Pretty much. While I generally agree with Utnayan about old blood and the need for new, in the end the new boss always looks like the old one. The biggest changes in the mmo industry I think will come about because of changes in the medium they are delivered on. Consoles, tablets and phones...

4 or 5 months a few years back. Guild got me maxed and raiding pretty quickly. Enjoyed the game, just didn't like the graphics so left. I really have a hard time playing games that look like WoW. Visuals are important to me, as well as gameplay. EQ, Vanguard are dated now but back in the day...

Well, that's your opinion. That's cool, can't please everyone. GW2 isn't perferct by any means, but it is a different model than the standard WoW/EQ so for many of us it work's great. Are you really asking GW2 to be another WoW clone? Don't we have enough of them already? I love that model...

EQ / Vanguard / EvE I think are the only mmo's I ever played longer than a year at one sitting. All the others lasted only a couple months never to be thought of again*. For the minority of us whose machines were beasts AND ran Vanguard (not all beast machines did so), the glory days of...

Yeah, that's one of their carrots for logging in. I just started playing again after a very long break. Kind of bummed I missed the destruction of Lion's Arch but won't lose any sleep over it. And I'm sure there is a bunch of other stuff that I missed that would have been fun too. Still...

Not understanding the WoW vs GW2 fight. They are totally different business models and coexist very well together. It's not like WoW vs Wildstar or something like that. GW2 is designed to be a filler game, like GW1. ArenaNet expects players to not play GW2 for long periods while they are...

You will be audited for suggesting it.