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Remember, Zehn, if every guild only had more players their personnel problems would be solved because everyone could just take the night off when they felt like it.

You have the data on this "respect and prefer" business? Is it subscription numbers? Again you"re winning at presenting opinion as fact. I never said anything about "getting lost in the crowd," I said flat-fucking-out I prefer to have less people on my roster and I"m far from the only one. And...

Which is so fun and awesome, especially to do for loot considerations. I guess we"re going to have to agree to disagree, you clearly think your setup with a massive guild with more than one raid group is superior to a smaller, tighter-knit guild. I wholly disagree. There is no convincing one of...

This is an assumption. I"m sure Blizzard could open up quest lines to you if they wanted to. It does call into question the logic of keeping your reputation (if indeed that would be a feature) but that"s going back to realism again. Bad armchair designers!* Bad! *smacks with newspaper* *As...

Right. So rather than being able to do more with less people, you would prefer there simply be more people. I certainly would agree that WoW"s "LET"S ADD SOME SERVERS!" mentality has been counterproductive, and their lack of willingness to do anything about low-pop servers is nothing but a crass...

But what does that have to do with the matter at hand? Bigger servers have their advantages, but we"re talking about the ability to have multiple classes on the same character. I"m not sure how one is a good alternative to the other...maybe that"s not what you"re suggesting.

Man I"m so bummed out I don"t have a massive bloated guild and 500 people in every city at any time, James is right. Having massive-pop servers and bigger raids is much better than having a guild with less, better people and the same people being able to play multiple classes from the same...

ROFLCOPTER GOES FWOOP FWOOP FWOOP (or something) WoW is not immersive. And who said that every race would have to be able to be every class? The big issue would be making sure there"s not a big imbalance on class/race availability, other than that why not leave race restrictions in? Oh no...

Multiple classes on the same character but only one at a given time? Can we all collectively get together and say "duh" -- even in WoW? The only problem with it would be class balance when you consider hybrids and talent trees, but I"ve thought this would be a good idea for a long time. With...

Yeah, sorry, manwhore and committed relationship don"t go well together.

Agree on the latter, disagree on the former. Just because most raid games have lacked an intrinsic fun value does not mean it can"t be done. Although, much to Curt"s point, probably the most fun encounter for me in TBC was Illidari Council. For the first couple of weeks. Now I hate that fight...

tad, I"m not sure how serious you are, but if there"s one thing that I"m tired of from TBC raiding it"s the power of random. We"ve implemented strats that basically say "for 3/4 of the pulls this is the best way to go, but that 1/4 of pulls this strategy will leave us wide open to get absolutely...

You first.

Curt: As a serious tank since the launch of this game [WoW -Ed] I would never wear that shirt. You are a dork. Signed: Deadhornn

You don"t have to be/have been bleeding edge for many things, but there are aspects.......as I pointed out......of experience that you will get from that. What my post omitted was my original point on the subject, which was all about how game design choices and mechanics all tie in at the...

I really don"t believe that significant raid experience should mean you"ve been doing it for 8-10 years. I think if you did it for multiple years, and did it successfully: A) You know what it"s like to keep a serious raiding schedule for more than a small blip in your life B) You know how...

Did you strain something coming up with this burn?

OK this is a good example of misuse of the rep system: I"d like to respond to this, but I have to insert it into the thread in order to do so. No, I probably will not, and by probably I mean ~99% chance. I don"t run out and "check out" MMOs, they"re not my thing to "check out." For me it"s play...

Fair enough, I guess it"s a dead subject then eh. The odds are pretty large I won"t be playing this game, but I do hate to see a teem that seems steeped in good design philosophy get tanked by a few ignorant decisions. Oh well!

OK, maybe while you"re here I can ask you a quick question to perhaps resolve this whole discussion: A) Do you plan to have a serious raiding game in your MMO? B) If so, how much serious raiding experience doyouthink you should have on your team, if for no other reason than to help...

I"ll catch you up sporty. First, Curt dismisses the importance of having people with raid experience on his design team. Then, a number of us point out just why it"s important and should not be dismissed, including myself taking it one step further and saying they should have people with...

Christ on a cricket, even if you only started reading on this page you could havesomeclue why we"re discussing it, perhaps go back 20 posts so you can be up with the train of thought?

I think we"ve established why we"re discussing it.

Bottom line is I don"t know what his definition of a hardcore raider is when he says he is one. Maybe he means he is a hardcore player who raids. There"s a difference. If he was really a hardcore raider I"m interested in knowing what his raiding accomplishments were. Not because I don"t think...

OK, so he said he was a hard core raider. I am a serious politician. I believe this is the definitive "screenshots or it didn"t happen" moment.

Somehow I don"t think MLB career and serious raider can possibly go together.

Google hires people appropriate for the job, just like Toyota hires people appropriate for the job and S38 should be hiring people appropriate for the job. Don"t create a strawman with the assumption that what we are looking for is a team full of raid veterans. What is necessary is to have that...

You might as well say "like Blizzard can make RTS, action-RPG, and MMO all from the same company?!?" Toyota is the WORLD"S LARGEST AUTOMAKER and has been around for 3/4 of a century. Secondly, Google did not start with its doe-eyed staff and just decide to branch out. They hire like crazy and...

Edit: misread.

I can"t wade through the next two pages to feel I can respond to this. Youhave to have experience on your raid design team.Either get it or don"t have a raid game. Most of the issues with the early raid game were that it was either too buggy or too easy, and MC was artistically a little bland...

The only reason EVE"s system is palettable to people who want to play the game seriously and haven"t been around forever is the fact that character trading is permitted by the developers, and also the fact that there is a roundabout RMT you can use to that end.

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Hey, we moved on to grouping. Here"s the thing, and if you come up with the magical solution, grats on your boomingly successful MMO: WoW grouping sucks because of the way experience and rewards are largely quest-oriented. Most of the time grouping with someone isdetrimentalbecause you"ll be...

I don"t post much in this thread because pie-in-the-sky "what if" MMO theorycraft wankery is not really my thing (no offense Ngurk, you"re actuallymakinga game), but I will say this to the pandora"s box you"ve opened: People who dislike instancing are the vocal minority.DO. NOT. LISTEN. TO...

Any quest that requires some convoluted entry is garbage past the first discovery, as all that will happen is people find out about it on the web and do the do-re-mi to get the quest, probably then looking up the next convoluted quest. There are realities associated with how WoW presents its...

It tends to be fat chicks in my experience who are most vocal about their lust for a giant wang, although I"ve known my share of small-breasted girls who are or were absolute skanks who were a bit size-obsessed. Didn"t date them, just knew them well enough to know about their opinion on cock. In...

This is the most insane thread ever. I really wonder what the fifty pages before I dropped in were like.

I can"t believe this thread is still going and that Utnayan hasn"t been committed somewhere. Seriously dude, you fucking need help.

It"s the graphics.

Codd and Turt = Todd and Curt !??