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ProTip: People have different definitions of what's fun. Easy solution. Have a mix of camping dungeons, run-through dungeons and non-dungeon quests you can progress. There are certainly many days, particularly during the week where I've only got an hour to spare and camping wouldn't be an...

Instancing: limits spawn competition and increases the rate at which players eat through content (bad). Instancing: usually means smaller raid sizes and avoid the fire raiding (bad). Instancing: limits groups helping other groups (bad). Instancing: leads to cookie-cutter dungeons (bad). So...

It's fun. It's not something I want to do all the time, every day, in an MMO, but it's fun to have a static pulling group and just shoot the breeze for a couple of hours while gaining XP. It is something that was lost in WoW.

Couldn't disagree more. I spent a ton of time pulling in VG - it depended on the dungeon or outdoor area. Tomb of Lord Tseng was a run-to-the-end dungeon. Karrus Hakrel was a pulling dungeon. It's all a matter of how the designers design the dungeon/area and what's more efficient. With...

So my question is this: in addition to crowdsourcing the funding via kickstarter do you have any plans to crowdsource any of the development via something like Neverwinter's Foundry or SOE's PlayerStudio? Or, as I suspect, is the overhead to do that more costly than anything you'd get out of...

One of the few times I'll agree with PD. If you're going to have quests in the game you shouldn't have to walk up and talk to everyone to find quests. That's not to say going up and talking people shouldn't be rewarding, and shouldn't be the way to find a few rare quests but generally: 1...

I'm pretty sure they're crowdsourcing the debugging - thus the 'long beta' comment ;-)

That's what I'm told by the one guy who I know IRL who actually works in the industry. He insists that you could re-create Original EQ for 3 or 4 million today - zones, warts and all. But of course today they've got to have better art, particularly better character art and animation.

I Lol'd.

They need a lot more people even if they're just aiming for EQ Vanilla sized. Everquest had 50 or so people on the team. I wish there was a way to crowdsource some of the art or design but there isn't AFAIK. I don't think Player Studio is going to work for a place as small as NewCo.

Brad does not have - and will not get - the money or man power to build a quest grind game. It's a case of where lack of resources actually helps - kind of like how starving a flat worm increases its life expectancy by 30%.

No. He screwed up with VG -_-

I'd say microtransactions are uniformly awful. Back in the day even fluff content was usually free (easter egg Morte for Planescape:Torment). Project Spark's shop is totally ridiculous but even buying skins for LoL bothered me when I played it. I'd rather have just given Riot $49.99 for the...

Good to see good ol' classic Internet MMORPG epeen dickitry is alive and well in 2014. Bravo! Bravo!

can't be ftp. Ftp destroyed the industry.

Yeah. I got into the beta over Christmas. Played the choose your adventure thing for five minutes then tried to create something and discovered the shop. I uninstalled. Sadly the key is linked to Xbox live account so you can't even give it away.

Disciples were dps op at the end of beta but got nerfed 3-4 weeks into live as did monks and bards. But always Terrible buffers.

lol. My bad. Realistically there aren't many good mmo discussion boards. I never cared for SA and penny arcade is run by Nazis.

Money is money and kickstarters need all the press they can get. @lithose great post. How do you feel about contested raids?

@Flip. You are confusing the ability to heal oneself while dpsing with OP (a feature of the ot/dt targeting system) VG classes were asymmetric and the healers were much better soloers. The only truly OP class in VG was the DK after he got the AoE lifesteal. Now that shit was ridiculous.

Wrong as usual. I most enjoyed being a non OP monk. If people preferred gmode everyone would be asking to be a hybrid and the ability to solo to cap.

I don't see that happening. Note the "modern" on the Twitter feed. Pantheon is going to be closer to VG than to EQ. Hopefully though, it will have EQ loot, not VG loot (VG was a loot pinata), EQ bosses (far too many VG bosses were snareable pushovers) and a more EQ like (i.e. minimal)...

500 for alpha plus a sub fee is looking better and better

So subscription fee beta?

Massively has news: SOE not involved. Registration is an error. Good

40 or 42 minimum. More is better. But with 40 or 42, raid yokels (such as myself) can join in from time to time with you pros.

I agree about the overuse of reactive and chain skills in VG - it all got a bit much.

You seem to have a serious misunderstanding as to the purpose of, and what is normal for, an Internet discussion board concerned with gaming.

I think this will remain the biggest bone of contention on these boards: VG Combat vs. EQ Combat. You can't do both. I'd play with EQ Combat, but I'd be missing VG Combat.

I don't remember. Did you play VG? Basically a lot of the need for this kind of specing went away with classes build around OT/DT combat such as the Bloodmage or Disciple or VG Paladin or etc. Before I'm attacked by ex VG Warriors - I'll admit that the particular class you're talkinga bout...

True so the best thing Brad & Co. can do with their kickstarter is to lay out the design philosophy with examples of DP/leveling/questing/classes.

Hell no. Exclusivity is key.

Rescues with OT/DT in Vanguard were pretty fun. And VG Paladins were just flat out OP.

No that doesn't really work, and one thing hated about WoW. You just end up with a bunch of hybrids. What you can do is design classes such that they have secondary roles that allow them to do a half assed job in that secondary role and have large (6 man) groups so players don't feel the need...

Well that's a nice little paradox for Brad.

No room for dip at release. Focus. FOCUS! That's a lot of development for what was little used by the majority of the VG crowd. But I certainly hope there's crafting - I actually didn't mind VG's crafting system with the mini-game and doing turn ins on work-orders for swag and I usually hate...

Nice. Willing to spill the beans on whether it'll have OT/DT combat? Or if not, a rough ETA for the Kickstarter (you said Jan last month - first half of Jan? 2nd half of Jan?)

Yes OT/DT combat system made every class more fun also heroic leaps for monks ;-). That is probably top of my list for Pantheon. With respect to quests - I can live with them if: 1. No forced multi-quests. Quest loot always drops of mobs, not only when you have the quest (EQ style quest...

EQ was developed in 3ish years IIRC. Anyone? Bueler? Avoiding the seemless world and massive quest/questhub model reduces development time.

I can live with quests giving XP as long as hubs are avoided.