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Stopped reading here, this is pure garbage. There was nothing in the linked article that indicated Howard had a desire to push past a "gender barrier". There is no reason to believe gender had anything to do with her choice of career or the progress she made in that career. Howard has, in fact...

Welcome to the reasonable people club. We're up to, like, eight or nine now. I'm not actually keeping count.

I agree. Itistricky, and that's why it's used by evil rapists.

Fucking LOL!

Now, wait a minute here. In your words, you say she (Note: I'm using "she" because this is a reference to real-life scenarios witnessed and described by Quaid) should have been concerned about the "possibility of rape". You didn't say she should be concerned about the "possibility of being taken...

If you had been robbed blind someone would still have broken the law. It's not legal to steal from someone because they're drunk. And yes, I did say that insisting a drunk person can't be raped if they have no memory of what happened and have no signs of physical resistance basically endorses...

Is that not the phrase I already said I should have used gender neutral terms for? If not, then I should definitely have used gender neutral terms for that phrase too. Good catch. It was a slip up that occurred as a result of most of the conversation centering around women claiming rape. I...

Like whatsisface said, I didn't get Hodj RRPed. He couldn't stand being wrong about something, so he spiraled into a self-induced dementia that was beyond grating to everyone around him and it got him shitcanned. You've got a ways to go before you can approach the levels of self-delusion and...

Oh my God... are you a Hodj alt? I swear to God, it's uncanny. Let's see how far you can take this. It gothimRRPed, which was fucking hilarious. You gotta really lay it on, though.Reallylay it on...

What's this you're saying about "male disposability"? What I said applies to all genders. Fuck, getting taken advantage of while incapable of making rational decisions is almost exclusively how males get raped (by females)! Just ask Trollface, he's got the stats. Unless you're saying that...

Oh God, it's the classic Hodj "I'm not racist!You'reracist!" defense. Fucking gag me.

Me & Etwynn: Same side. Who's next? Nobody ever said that. Ever. Especially not me. Where is this even coming from? Unfortunately you're a bit off here. See, BECAUSE of this issue of practicality (or lack thereof), my opposition is "erring on the side of caution" or something by saying that rape...

You act like it's impossible to take advantage of a drunk person. The law already recognizes that it is, in fact, possible to take advantage of a drunk person to get them to do what they don't want to do. This has nothing to do with "feels" and it has nothing to do with infantilizing women. It...

I did no such thing. I've never done anything of the sort, of anything you've mentioned at all, ever. You're an idiot.

Maybe, as in it's possible you've been raped, and it's possible that there is physical or circumstantial evidence that supports that very plausible theory. If you think that it's impossible to prove either way, thenthat'sthe problem. We don't need to define a case of rape as non-rape because it...

It's almost like I saw this coming. Or like I already explained it a hundred times before.

Sure, I agree it's fairly arbitrary. We're talking about variables that difficult to grade, let alone accurately measure. There are no post-coital consent detectors. But see, not having a machine that can show if something happened doesn't mean we can't use our own fucking senses to recognize...

You're creating an arbitrary differentiation here. They ARE equal. I'm giving you a situation where someone who doesn't want sex is taken advantage of and fucked. That's the case whether it's man on woman, man on man, woman on man or woman on woman (or any other gender permutation, you get the...

Uhh, yeah, I know plenty who wouldn't. And by the way, in case you missed the point (and I know you did), I was illustrating how circumstantial evidence can paint a picture of someone who didn't want to have sex but was taken advantage of, even if that person doesn't remember. The alternative...

Why are you all so scared of my question, by the way? You wake up with jizz in your ass and no memory what happened. Were you raped?

The problem with your scenarios is everybody's making a conscious decision to fuck and then regretting it. Those are not the only circumstances under which people have sex. It is very possible to take advantage of someone in a compromised state to get them to do something they don't want to do...

And yet, if someone took advantage of your drunken state to get you to sign a contract, it could be voided. Because the "consent" you literally signed onto paper doesn't count if it was the product of someone intentionally taking advantage of your inability to make rational decisions. And before...

No, no, son. My setup is already on perfectly equal footing. A man takes advantage of your compromised state to fuck you. Don't get more equal than that. Were you raped?

I was responding to Cad, but those weren't the two options I presented. I said "rape or no rape?"

Really? So going out and getting drunk means you have to take responsibility for being anally raped. Good to know.

Alright, so after having been anally violated without your consent, you'll just suck it up and forget abut it. Hope it doesn't happen again. And if it does, well... fool me twice, right? Because I want it to be clear that you didn't give consent. That's important.

Seriously, though. Let's say any of you guys go to a party, have a few too many drinks, and wake up with cum in your ass and no memory of what happened. Rape or no rape?

Actually, if you woke up with an ass full of cum, there's a pretty good chance you were just raped. You know, you being a heterosexual male and all. If there were no signs of a physical struggle would you just go "Oh well! Guess I shouldn't drink so much next time! Tee-hee!" Not fucking likely.

There could be bruising that indicates a physical struggle if one occurred. There could be circumstantial evidence such as the girl having been on her period (a circumstance under which she never intends to have sex). She could have spoken with friends or even her boyfriend about going out to...

Keep up the good fight, brothers.

Feminist extremists, maybe. I, for one, think Mist is the only one that has made any sense at all for the last several pages.

Hey, we're listening to you! Are you enjoying your attention, troll? What can we do to maximize the attention you're getting for ultimate troll value?

Well, troll, for one thing your use of "one of the most common forms of fantasy" is wrong, probably intentionally. For another thing, fantasy is fantasy. Sure, we fantasize about things we want to happen (like winning the lottery), but we also fantasize about things we would never want to...

Either one is wrong. You said fuck all about "behavioral controls" and you know it. Ummm... yeah. When people too young to handle the responsibility of either drinking or fucking do both, you get a bunch of them complaining that they've been raped. I don't approve of it, but this is what's...

I wouldn't judge 99% of the board by the actions of Trollface and Gaige. (ba-dum tsss)

I'm sorry, Cad, but this is just idiotic. We live in a society where what affects some of us directly affects all of us indirectly. Would you suggest we let pedophiles be pedophiles since none of us are children so they can't hurt us personally? Are we not allowed to have opinions about how...

Oh, is this where we are? Alright, let's settle in and wait for Tanoomba to say those words. He's never said anything remotely close to that, but apparently you're the authority, so we'll wait... Still waiting...

Alright, we've been through this before, it will undoubtedly happen again. Here's a handy card you can take out every time we go through this routine: Original content, bitches!