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Good point. PM sent.

I appreciate your valuable input, but my question wasn't directed at you, nor was it directed at anyone other than one Mr. Trollface. You'll notice that the post I was responding to was actually about percentages of rapes caused by gender, so clearly at least one person (the person I am...

Speaking of percentages of rapes being caused by certain genders... Trollface, you claimed that 1/3 of rapes were caused by women. Since women are more likely to rape by getting a male drunk and taking advantage of him, does this mean that getting someone drunk and taking advantage of them...

Yes, it did! But I don't remember it working very well. I think my favorite part was the trap door that dropped characters into a hammock (although they usually rolled right off).

Besides the fact that that doesn't answer my question, I already addressed all 4 of those points. Keep up, man.

Literally the first result if you Google "rape".

Explain to me what part of that doesn't apply to sex. Keep in mind "continuing obligations" can include unintended consequences of having sex.

Same as everyone else's: Sex without consent.

It is when you fuck them without consent. Alcohol is a drug, by any definition of the term. Exploiting someone's drug-induced compromised state, a state where their ability to give consent is severely compromised,even if the drug was consumed willingly, is rape.

You could put it that way, sure. And several others seem to be saying that if you rape a girl while drunk, it isn't rape. You know, because she was drunk, which was her choice.

This is far, far too retarded to respond to. Shame on you. Similar enough in legal terms for the purposes of this discussion (just ask our lawyer friend). Never said it did. Unless what? Say it with me... Never said that either. Keep on strawmanning.

Everybody keeps saying "decide", as if this isn't something subject to external forces. We've all acknowledged that alcohol impairs judgment. People can be manipulated when they are under the influence of alcohol. For example, they can be manipulated into signing a contract they don't...

Stop avoiding me, Trollface. Even if you have me on ignore my question to you was quoted. Does taking advantage of a drunk person for sex count as rape or is your "1/3 of rapes are committed by women" stat bullshit? You can't have it both ways. Good questions. No, if you intentionally...

See, this didn't actually happen (obviously). It doesn't happen, at least not with enough frequency to be considered statistically significant. If you have to make up extremely unlikely scenarios to prove your point maybe it isn't a point worth making. Don't make me take away your ribbon.

You left out the ONLY element that would make it count as rape. Did you take advantage of a drunk person who wouldn't have otherwise slept with you? Because one involves the violation of your body, which believe it or not some people consider a big deal. It can also lead to pregnancy, STDs or...

I had Snake Mountain. LOTS of entertainment value there.

To trick them into mowing your lawn? No. To fuck them? Yes. There's a difference between doing something and having something done to you. "Being taken advantage of" is not an active decision, whereas "driving" is. Also, there is no "dehumanization" in acknowledging that people can be taken...

What makes you think I'm not? Why are you making wild assumptions about my views on prison reform? Why do you assume I think it's acceptable for men to get raped in prison or under any circumstances? Because of this conversation that currently has nothing to do with men being raped in prison...

Stop doing this, all of you. The deciding factor is not "Were X drinks consumed?" or "Was the party in question just tipsy or blacked out?" The deciding factor is whether or not the other party knew about the first party's drunken state and took advantage of it to bring about a result that would...

All right. You responded by giving me the definition of a false dichotomy, which I already knew. Please explain how it applies in this case. We are making progress, gentlemen! Yes, that's exactly what I want to hear. I'm sorry if that's the impression I gave you. I thought I made it clear that...

Core issue? Nobody here wants to talk about the core issue and you know it. Don't pretend that I'm swaying the discussion with stuff that doesn't matter. Therewas no discussionbefore I decided to push the "defensive douchebag" button and whip you goons up into a frenzy. Obviously, you guys love...

No. I've humored you enough. I couldn't care less if you understand the difference between drunk driving and being raped. If you were hoping for a better reaction, you won't get it. If you have something relevant to add (which I highly doubt) I'll acknowledge it, otherwise consider your trolling...

So you're saying that the "1/3 of rapes are caused by women" statistic is based on a bullshit standard. Promoted by feminism, perhaps? Are the feminist gals saying "We want to be rapists, too!"? I guess those rapes must have been reported by the female rapists themselves, right? "No, really! I...

Citation needed.

All of that's been addressed several times over. Keep up or get out, your trolling isn't even amusing.

Dude, I know you don't like to address me directly, but I really need to know... Which is it: a) Women commit a third of rapes, most of which involve taking advantage of a drunk man, therefore taking advantage of a drunk person for sex counts as rape. b) Taking advantage of a drunk...

It has yet to be disproved even once. It's been yelled at, sure. But disproved? Those are two different things, you know.

I'm not defending women here, nor am I hating on men. I don't even know how you could get that impression. For Christ's sake, a third of rapes are caused by women and you guys are choosing to ignore that because you'd rather believe those rapes don't count. Why are you defending women rapists...

One Mr. Hodj strongly implied that the gun saved Zim's life. Instead of just acknowledging that it probably didn't (which was my point), the entire board erupted into angry jeers claiming I was holding Zim responsible for what happened, that I was making him out to be the bad guy (even though I...

But drunk people can't give consent, which is why contracts can be voided if someone was taking advantage of a drunk person. We don't say "The guy shouldn't have been drinking if he didn't want to be taken advantage of." He may have signed the contract, but that voluntary action doesn't count as...

It's been over for a while!

So we're going with option b) then.

Yeah, I thought it fit because it's an example ofnot technically OK but generally accepted as OK, but it is somewhat clumsy.

You forgot the part where, unable to actually reasonably debate anything I said, the opposition decided to have a sarcasm contest. Also, to be fair, I don't think it's so much a "lack of understanding" as it is "willful ignorance". Not uncommon, really. When people's values are challenged...

Well, if you wanna continue to enjoy the benefits of alcohol-buffed social interaction as a responsible adult while allowing for those who need to to counter those who aren't so responsible, sure. Win-win. What's the problem?

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Yup. And yet people still pretend none of that was said and they dredge up the same tired and powerfully lame arguments that have already been debunked several times over. That's OK, though. I don't mind. I live to educate.

Been covered about 137 times, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Having sex while drunk does not necessarily mean rape is occurring. Using alcohol as a social lubricant to bring about a result desired by both parties is fine, even if technically it doesn't count as consent (consent...

It's generally considered gauche to announce your entrance with self-designated titles, but I guess we'll let it slide since it seems pretty apt. You know, since you just jumped in and have no idea what you're talking about. But hey: You're the Captain!

OK, dude. When you have something relevant to add, I'll be waiting.