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The number of sordid and often tragic cases of EQ adultery is almost worth its own thread. I do have to say that particular spice of drama seemed way more prevalent 18-20 years ago on retail than it has been on TLP.

Speaking only of PoP and earlier I’ve never seen any Enchanter on Zavy’s level, old Conquest guy. I think he rattles around here somewhere.

Lol try playing on live, parcel and full 44 slot bags fills up fast cuh. Sadly like Bobby I can’t really divulge my worst stuff, maybe when I fully retire from EQ. I will say so far most of these toxic confessions are still inside the game world; I know of a half dozen or so incidents that...

We leveled basically two groups through Chardok using Boltran's and it was fast and I don't remember much about it being a problem. There are some negatives for Boltran's vs Allure, but it was never a real issue. We had groups built around multi-charming though.

I'd personally enjoy a TSS start server but I don't think the masses would go to it sadly, there's a very significant share of the TLP population that simply is only interested in Classic thru PoP, for some of them even making it to PoP is a stretch.

I’m in <The Faceless>, but I wasn’t 50 until the day before Kunark and have only done one raid night with them. I kinda would like to go hard on Mischief but running a live guild + things ramping up at work now that covid is over is kind of a disincentive. Some of the officers Zaide has lined up...

I’m not about that sports life fam.

And the Bishi show begins again.

Lol, it's a nice myth we just killed Emp with no idea how VT worked, ignoring we had like 30 luclinite orbs before that, did we just assign those randomly? We clearly had a list of our first 40, it just wasn't built before launch, so it limited some of what we could do week 1. Like we couldn't...

tfw you're talking about stuff we already talked about. Yes, we knew who our first 40 was going up to Emp. No, they weren't done with shards--neither were Amtrak's first 40 (this was already covered in the thread.) Amtrak started shard keying earlier because they knew before the server launched...

How is instances "bitching out"? That was how they attempted to win the night before, no one really was perceiving instances as invalid at any point for first AHR lol.

Lol I honestly said I was done since this had worked itself out, but I was talking it over with some people and I think we actually lost because we got behind on shard farming and they got into VT a full day before us. I think that's the real key. Them having a DZ that had an AHR free to engage...

Bro put your autism shaming shit away. You've been saying "this is my last TLP" since Agnarr. You may not have as deep level autism as me and cuk, but you have ENOUGH Autism you shouldn't be throwing stones.

Keep in mind no one put losing the race on you, I just said having you as a single point of failure was a mistake. The point I'm making is I didn't cuck out in any of our raids, I was there for all of them in the launch. You had to dip out of the most important raid. There's a reason I've...

What I would say about the horse issue Cuk is the fact you were actually able to cross over the geometry alive and were still dying, like at that point the horse isn't relevant. To actually execute the skip you have to get over the geometry, and a fast mount helps with that, but then you have to...

Also let's be clear a little bit, the mount helps you get across the geometry, that is part of, but certainly not the critical part, of the skip. You actually maybe don't remember, but you made the skip several times, you just died every single time to mobs. You have to both get through...

A lot of stuff you are saying in that convo, and the timestamps involved, don't make sense to me. For one we never killed TVK in our DZ, we never even got that far. For two, our DZ had already expired by the time stamps in this convo. I literally have this time stamp from our officer chat with...

Bud there's guilds on live that have been doing this 20 years and have never taken a break, you're quibbling over nonsense.

Nothing in this convo makes me believe we didn't give you a rhino mount. I mention a rhino mount would make it easier, because I didn't have a rhino mount before VT, but I did by the time this conversation would have occurred. Maybe this conversation is what you're relying on to "remember" you...

FWIW I think for the people in that raid, there is no real asterisk. Beating Mearatas is lke a legit EQ accomplishment these TLP mouthbreathers will never understand. My only point was if Atabishi wants to get real technical and stupid, I could pick apart things for OGC. But Atabishi doesn't...

I'm going to Bishi style wall of text here to try to actually fully respect your points and explain where I'm coming from. When you say we didn't funnel are you talking about keys or gear? If you mean gear maybe you missed my post where I specifically refuted your funneling claim, we funneled...

I mean I literally said there were two mistakes made during launch, both were 100% on me. Maybe you didn't read that or didn't see it. Nowhere did I say you were the reason for our entire guild's performance. What I did say is you don't really have much right to complain about the Selo guild...

That isn't accurate Rajaah. The actual way progression boards (like the one ran by Beimeth for live) work is join raids do not count. You guys beat Mearatas in a joint raid. So no, OGC did not beat TBL in era. "Phinny Joint Raids" did. As someone who has actually done Mearatas, I literally am...

I've said my peace bud, you're saying factually different things than me. I know what the actual truth was, you can believe whatever you want. My point stands that you're just a loud mouth who talks a big EQ game but has never played a big EQ game. This highlights my point that the people...

Like I said, your memory is plain not accurate here. We clearly had less DPS than them, and they had a pre-cleared DZ that reopened in a few hours. Staying in open world was not the best chance to win, doing a DZ was. It was not a great chance because we were frankly out positioned to this...

No one compared them other than you.

This goes back to maybe you just don't remember, because you were 100% given a rhino by Kith. I actually don't think you would just lie about something so black and white, so I'm going to assume with all the drama maybe you just forgot. I will note that your constant AoS dick sucking (by the...

Maybe that strategy would have worked, hard to say. We would not have known any of that was possible at the time. Like I said, zero of us had ever seen warder VT. Something Amtrak kinda likes to not mention is none of their core had either. They actually got trained up heavily by Mabbu's guild...

I've always said that Phinny guilds faced a very different challenge from us. Keeping interest when you only raid 1-2 days a week (which is the reality on a regular TLP after GoD) for 5 years is non-trivial. Selo appealed to people that want to play EQ almost every day. The same cast of...

Do you mean the practice session where me and kith were there with you doing the skips for hours on test? Like seriously dude, I hope you're just misremembering, because otherwise you are blatantly lying. You were given both a slow and a fast horse, I'm not really sure what your complaint is...

100%, and this is why we went to DZ. Our options were: 1. Stay and lose DPS races 2. Train war to keep Amtrak from doing Open World, but in a number of hours their DZ opens and they can just finish there uncontested 3. Start our DZ right away, because if we manage to clear it fast, at least we...

And there is 0 truth to the fact you had begged for horse money for "days", we literally said if we needed to do the skips we'd give you one, when the time came we asked you what horse was needed and you said the one you picked was fine. I'll echo what Dick said, putting the skips on one person...

I mean you can try to rewrite history as much as you want Cuk, the reality is you had a role, you failed at it because you got wife aggro. I have no idea your motivation to straight up lie about the rest of the shit that happened. What actually happened is we went to open world and DPS raced...

True, he came back hours later after our dz timer expired when you guys were getting close and asked permission to train. I said "do whatever you want man." I was tired and over it. I felt 0 motivation to train you guys there, mentally I had already moved on to the next step on Selo. I have zero...

I think I've been pretty honest about this--and I think it's either something I've mentioned a number of times with my guild, and maybe haven't posted here (but I think I've posted it on here before), I was serious about competing for Luclin, but after that my only goal was to reach live. My...

Nah, I mean it could just be it was a mistake like I said it was. Mistakes don't mean you weren't serious, it means you fucked up. Like I said I made two big mistakes with that launch. In truth we should have used Artemesa who the next time in VT did all the skips perfectly. Obviously if I had...

My point was more in regards to guild progression. I'm saying unlike on old era TLPs, there is no meaningful way where open world raiding can meaningfully block another guild's progression. In Kunark / Luclin / PoP you can sorta slow another guild down in OW, but only fairly moderately. Like I...

I mean dude I'm going to talk a little bit of hard truth to you. For one, we did go hard to try to win Luclin. We also did funnel loot, not actually sure why you don't remember that. But we specifically funneled loot to tanks and some healers, and we cleared out the Bazaar multiple times with...

I mean I don't disagree that everything I said was subjective opinion. And I've honestly tried to give you credit in the past for the things you have done, but then you've spent like 2 months posting crazy nonsense on these forums that most people know isn't true, and reduced yourself to a meme...

I'm certainly not saying that people don't have fun on TLPs. That was never the point I was making. The larger point I was making is OW mostly has no real meaning in terms of the game itself, it's literally just something to do because you're bored. I'm saying the consequences for guilds like...