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It's 11 skills not 12, 2 of them are tornado shot. And it makes up 75% so it being just the skills in the window doesn't mean much. Obviously poe.ninja isn't the be all end all of data. I don't know why you guys keep insisting on arguing about this, though. Maybe one of these days I will go...

Obviously skills being irrelevant is more relevant in the case of PoE since they're not class specific but class imbalance also definitely exists.

That can't be true. All the angry folk in this thread have assured me that PoE is and always has been perfectly balanced and every skill is equally viable and so is every ascendency and you definitely aren't shoehorned into using certain supports for certain skills, you can literally do...

Did you play the same D2 I played? Cause holy shit levelling a barb in D2 was painful for me.

Well, if you say so then it must be true. PoE has always been perfectly balanced since the closed beta days, now I finally realize it.

Fair enough, Grim Dawn and TQ are the areas I'll agree with you that melee probably has the advantage (maybe last epoch i've only played sorc twice and acolyte for a little bit). I haven't put enough hours into them to really compare all the different builds myself. I think this is because...

@Utnayan Tencent are partial owners of the companies that did Elden Ring. Tencent also owns most of Riot and Riot + league of legends is one of the most woke plagued games/companies i've ever seen. Are you going to revoke your praise of that game given these findings or do I need to keep...

It's also stupid as fuck because like multiple people have said multiple times, that's how it is in every single ARPG ever. Try levelling a melee char in PoE and it's absolute dogshit and feels horrible compared to split shot or any other ranged/aoe skill.

Oh ya, that's a dick move for sure. I just don't think he's a retard so much as he's just a douche milking twitch for what twitch wants. Twitch chat is like the most retarded of retards and he's pretty good at giving them what they want (and so are a bunch of other big streamers).

I don't watch much of him but from the bits i've seen it feels more to me like he uses lots of sarcasm and plays into a bunch of stuff just for content and not necessarily because he believes it personally.

Yeah, PoE definitely doesn't have that and never has!

I dunno, all the people in here screaming about how amazing and innovative PoE is sure seem to think a reboot is required for d4 and that reboot better contain 4000 mechanics and features that have never even been dreamt of in the ARPG genre, so why would they not feel the same way about PoE 2?

I guess... Care to elaborate the point so I can reach up and grab it? Only thing I can think of is that your 'point' was everyone who wasn't bashing the game was just a retard lying about enjoying it and having fun but I like to think that they're not a bunch of shills being paid by Blizzard to...

Ya, cause that's definitely not the entire point of video games... (excluding competitive games, which ARPGs are not).

1. I think i'm part of the 0.0001% who does any form of crafting with the currency that isn't deterministic master crafting with guaranteed results but ok. How is using chaos orbs to gamble on an item any different from using gold to gamble items? Because it's not called gold so it's better...

Is FF14 an ARPG these days? Its been quite a while since I played it.

Ya but the skill tree doesn't have 400 nodes that leave you unable to progress past white maps if you don't cookie cutter the shit out of it. Total fail, no choices!

You show me the innovation, you're the one claiming PoE somehow innovates every single league. I've played the game on and off for the past 10+ years and I sure as shit don't see all this magical innovation or "new and different" that it supposedly has.

Lol. Drugs are bad.

How many skills does a game need? PoE, which is apparently the be all end all of amazingness and choice and build diversity, is a game where you use... 1 whole skill, maybe 2 if you're playing one of the few builds that uses 1 skill for single target and 1 for aoe clear. Throw on a movement...

And even then PoE doesn't have all that "crazy shit" he wants. Just another example of someone who doesn't actually play ARPGs coming in to say this game is going to suck.

Agreed the first was the best. I liked the 2nd quite a bit, too. Third was kind of disappointing although I think my main problem with it was how hard they forced Halle Berry into it along with some terrible cgi. Kind of want to see this in the theatres but holy hell I just looked at prices...

Flashbacks of chasing fallen around in D2 as they run 20 miles every time 1 dies but ocd means you have to kill them all regardless of how annoying it is.

Did you play Titan Quest or Grim Dawn?

Glad i'm not the only one. Every idol that drops for my ice sorc is lightning or fire damage and every wand/staff/sceptor is minion damage and/or necrotic damage.

"Handful of builds per class" so lets say there are 2 or 3 builds per class and 5 classes. That's 10-15 "viable builds". You think there are significantly more than (or even as many as) 10-15 viable builds per league in PoE? Shit, for a long time there were significantly less than 10 viable...

Nice tits.

Melee is always ass in any arpg until endgame. Always.

I didn't buy myself KFC and I wanted to see how the game looked, so my options were limited to this. I'm not a fan of watching streams in general, though.

Pulled up steelmage stream this morning to see a bit more of the game. He watched a bunch of videos of people dying to Butcher and said he wanted to fight him. Ran into him a couple minutes later and steamrolled him, lol.

So... it will die because it's the same as every arpg?

Inventory management is anti-fun in ARPG loot games. "Hey, here's a bunch of cool items, but you can only carry 4 of them if they're bows/2handers of all varieties or you can carry 10x as much if you pick up only the smaller items so you can choose to either get to look at a bunch of items...

I don't remember anyone saying D3 felt "bland" or anything. The only major complaints I remember about D3 was how much they fucked the game over in order to push their RMAH shit by gimping drops so much that you had to do stupid shit like tyrael death roll to try and progress through Hell...

Watching Asmons stream for a few minutes, much like I said after the video the other week the graphics and stuff just don't really do it for me. That said, graphics and stuff don't mean a whole heck of a lot to me and they're not bad enough to turn me off of the game so i'll probably end up...

Ah ok, I don't have any issues yet with lots of clicking so that's nice to hear. 99.9% of the uniques in PoE are worthless vendor trash and always have been, especially ones you find early...

So i'm getting mixed opinions from the thread. Is this Diablo 3+ or is this DiabLost Ark? Little bit of both? I'd probably prefer diablo3+ to diablost ark, altho if it actually is a controller game and sucks on kbm then I probably won't buy it after all. I play pc, if I wanted to use a gd...

Revolutionary itemization?