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Long read but interesting imo: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/ma...food.html?_r=0

Ironic name. That raises my blood pressure. Fucking grain eaters.

Ok thanks. I find what I eat now to be perfect for sustaining. No counting required and never hungry. I just am paranoid about muscle loss. A few people recommended his PSMF a while back to me but I never got around to trying it as I hit my goals earlier than expected.

Yes he also suggests using drugs as part of a short term solution to basically fool the body into behaving the way you want it to. The carb refeeds are not any long term nutrition plan. This is also a guy who literally wrote the book on Ketogenic diets, another similarity with paleo. Lyle is...

Considering his hate for the Paleo crowd, him mentioning the main idea behind it twice in the book struck me as funny. He simply equates the difference to "modern lifestyle", which we haven't yet adapted to. Now apparently this modern lifestyle really shit the fan since 1970. Another quote:

This one is for Ark, I am thinking of doing UD2 by his boyfriend Lyle McDonald. The paleo is going well still but I am paranoid about losing muscle as I cut fat. So I'm thinking do UD2, then paleo is perfect to maintain. Anyway I'm re-reading the e-book now and I found this:

Toothbrush. But you should get rid of your toilet and get a squatty potty so you can shit like a caveman: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1929747.html

Does dbol make you lean? That is a serious question I know nothing about it other than it makes you hooge.

So stop bringing it up you fucking fool. If you need a slap down on it go to the other thread. I just started hearing about this recently but I dont know much about it. Some dude on another site keeps mentioning it, and I know that guys like Arnold and Columbu used to do it back in the day...

Feel free to bring it up in the paleo thread if you want me to talk about it. @Convo you've inspired me to re-read Body for Life now. I seem to remember him suggesting the basic thing I always agree with and see across the vast majority of these books: eat whole natural foods. I also...

He wrote a number of weight loss books all based on ketosis, certainly the three I linked are based on it. And by the way I am not one to hold up Lyle as some perfect source of information, just a well respected one. I plan to do UD2 that I linked pretty soon to see how I do. Again we're...

Yeah that's the Bill Phillips guy right? I have that book as well and yes it works if you follow it. Not really arguing that because I like his book and approach. Now when you say nutrisystem though that is pure crap from what I've seen and base calorie restriction. I cant imagine that...

No fruits either? How long term would this be for? Sounds like a basic ketogenic diet which would imply relatively short term (usually) but I'm just curious. They definitely work but if you cant have fruit either I'm curious if he's deliberately asking you to get into ketosis and burn fat...

This is the same point of contention every time though. You can also eat pizza, gummy bears and cupcakes without hurting weight loss "as long as your calories were under check." Doesnt mean you should or that those foods are helpful in any way. This is not to say oatmeal and whole wheat pasta...

It's just based on experience. Paleo is almost exactly what I did for years when I wanted to cut before I ever heard of Paleo, minus maybe some Oatmeal, peanut butter or a bowl of cereal here or there. No grains means no pizza, bagels, bread, pasta, cakes, cookies, cereal, battered whatever...

The entire premise is that anything humans have eaten for hundreds of thousands of years is a proven diet. So saying dont eat meat or animal fats pretty stupid since we've been doing that for so long. Anything new should be questioned considering the high incidence of heart disease, obesity...

Oh I'm convinced eating this way is good, I'm just not sure if eliminating the things like grains, dairy and legumes is necessary. I'm more than a month in and lost 12 pounds, I just PR'd my Press at the gym last week, feel good and finding it very easy to stay compliant without having any...

The other is Ancel Keys lipid hypothesis:

Interesting article here: Enjoy Saturated Fats, They're Good for You! It's long but two quick things, first was Crisco which I had totally forgotten about but I remember my mom using this when I was a kid:

Yeah I used to do natural peanut butter with apples all the time. I dont know about organic but just make sure the ingredients are "peanuts, salt". And that's it. You'll have to mix it up, the oil rises to the top but it's really good. If you dont tolerate peanut butter well try almond...

My numbers as of now: This go around I'm really trying to get my upper body lifts up. Bench and press, and also things like chins, pull ups, rows etc. Also skill lifts like cleans and snatch. In the past I had all my focus on squat, trying to correct that. I've been doing these rows...

Assuming you're past the Starting Strength stage yeah I agree with the 5/3/1 suggestion. I'm doing it now and it's great.

Ah sorry missed the chemo part. So is this juice some sort of prescribed supplement? I'd try to get more meals like your dinner which looks very good apart from the low fat dressing. I'd swap in some good fats in the form of olive oil and maybe a bit of vinegar or a low sugar full fat...

Just going by your diet, with the exception of your dinner it doesnt look very nutritious to me. The juice is really just sugar, taking all the fiber out of the fruit and drinking it. Then more fruit, peanuts which are eh, and string cheese. You need some good protein and fat in there. Can...

Apparently the clinical studies are ridiculously expensive, which is why you dont see many controlled studies. Anything with that many people it's observational/epidemiological. Given the years involved, when all the rage was telling people red meat would kill you, it stands to reason that...

Speaking of paging Dr Faggot.

Is that how Goku always sounds in the Japanese versions? That was pretty ridiculous. Never saw any of the movies or the GT stuff, I liked the early ones from when Goku was a kid with a tail right up til he fought Buu I think, then I lost track of DBZ.

One was ok, it got over hyped for whatever reason and that's why i think now it seems like it sucked. It's not particularly memorable. I remember loling at "Paging Dr Faggot", whatshisname jumping out of the car naked, and some other nonsense. So it was ok. Didn't see 2, no interest. Same...

At this point I can live with losing a little muscle but obviously I'd want to minimize it. I gained 30 pounds in my bulk but I have no idea how much was muscle. If it was 10+ lbs I'll be thrilled, I'll settle for 6.

Speaking of balance. I've been watching this guy's Youtube channel stuff:http://www.youtube.com/user/IceCream...?feature=watch He's not a paleo fan. I believe he falls under what would be called IIFYM (if it fit's your macros) and preaches balance too. He goes by simply making sure you get...

Whoa. That is bad ass.

So it seems that actual clinical trial data has been found from the 60's: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhus...ry-fat-debate/ Changing from Saturated fat to the Polyunsaturated fats did in fact reduce cholesterol but.... the people who switched had higher rates of cardiovascular and...

Huh never heard this. In any case that spinach is cooked, but I also use it in salads sometimes with my Romaine lettuce and other stuff. As far as over cooking, it cooks so quick I generally am able to get it so it's just wilted and not mush.

I am typically skeptical of the "organic free range pastured" labels. I always feel like it's a gimmick to get more money for the same shit. However, I have been trying certain things to see if I notice a difference. Fruit I never notice anything for example so I dont bother, same with...

See? Pretty soon you'll be buying grass fed beef and throwing your Natures Promise whole grain bread out the window. Shhh it's easier if you dont fight it.

I'll put you down as "undecided"

Caveman confessions: Yesterday I had 3 pieces of pizza. It was home made pizza if that matters. I felt like crap afterwards. Coincidence? or irrefutable evidence of the scientifically ironclad superiority of cutting grains? I think you all know the answer.

Wow i had a hell of a lot of fun in WAR. However the game was a disappointment at the end of the day. For a small group running around killing large unorganized zergs it was fantastic. If you wanted to play the "end game" it was pure shit. The classes were fun, I still love he Warrior...

Here's some follow up material from the guy who made the Fathead documentary. Which by the way if you are even remotely interested in this, watch that. It's free on Netflix. Also catch the Perfect Human Diet, which I had to pay a couple of bucks to watch on Amazon Prime.

We need a poll of the top 3 or 4 years from 1980 forward. 1999 and 1982 are definitely in.