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So they spent billions of dollars to setup the infrastructure to copy major telecom traffic to not use it? If they aren't using it why do they need all this memory to store information in data centers? they are spending billions of dollars on information storage because they don't plan on using it?

This was on pbs, the informations out there it's just drowning in a sea of irrelevant information like who gives a fuck what kanye west calls his child, seriously. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

That information does not exist purely on private databases, it's blanketly copied and made usable at any time, just because there is a pretend lock and key on this information does not make the ACT compiling these large data centers all over the country right. just the action of storing all...

all you gotta do is goad the apologists they make themselves look foolish.

He lied about the collection of data, he pretended it didn't exist Snowden hadn't "blown the whistle" yet, he was straight up lying to congress about the nature of the "secret program". Here is a congressman asking the nsa director direct questions under oath and he didn't tell the truth. Now...

This is the program he exposed, and Yes I will yield the point that as a government you don't want independent people running around with things that are classified, on principle. but come on man we don't live in a vacuum, it is relevant.

Multiple times, this is probably the best example http://www.forbes.com/sites/seanlaws...mestic-spying/ Finally, as recently March 12, 2013, in a hearing of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Sen. Wyden had this exchange with Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who...

We went over this already there is nowhere to run, the battle for freedom(free and open societies) or Tyranny(central authortarian police state) as the world globalizes begins and ends with America.

a_skeleton_03 or Chaos care to comment about the NSA director lying to congress? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeavcYV4EMc Groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the Electronic Frontier Foundation have been seeking this kind of information for years. But until Edward Snowden's...

How can an observer not help but notice that the easiest to see "grave damage" is the reputation of leaders or institutions who where in charge when the conduct was exposed? Is that not a natural reason to declare anything of this nature "grave damage". Do you honestly think dick Cheney or the...

Let's remember how this program started before we confidently declare it legitimate. http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/2...ives_on_inside Following public outcry, the program was halted primarily because of privacy concerns, but also because its main advocate was John Poindexter, known...

that's what I just said, you can stop frothing.

Bradley manning is not being tried in civilian court? http://www.thenation.com/blog/174689...#axzz2XFARAzae

I'm still waiting for any sign of "exceptionally grave damage to national security." what accountability is there for the people making that statement? There is a clear motive to say that even if it's not true. "Cheney's claim that Snowden's revelations have caused significant damage to US...

It's not "illegal" because of secret interpretation of the patriot act that the public would never know about otherwise let's not forget to say that.

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Clarify this for me please. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/EvanL HOST WHEN YOU HAVE A SECURITY CLEARANCE, DO YOU HAVE TO TAKE AN OATH OF SOME TYPE IF GUEST:00:19:40 YES. WHETHER YOU ARE A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE OR A FEDERAL CONTRACTOR, THEY TAKE THE SAME ESSENTIAL OATH THAT THEY'RE...

even if taken at face value, you still ascribe no motive for why, which is why your letter of the law approach is so obviously shallow.

Don't get mad at me because I read more than my fair share of history books, when I used to be a traditional catholic I actually read the history of religion like it was a holy endeavor(ironcally that's the best way to figure out exactly why it's a man made construct), oaths most certainly...

They call it an oath for a reason, the same mysticism that was used 2,000 years ago is used today to bind people.

If you don't see the major loophole in that, I don't know how you ever will, there comes a point where the mysticism of an oath has to sidestep rational thought, but your a guy who believes an invisible man in the sky guides all your actions so whatever. Oaths are an religious concept, One...

What did snowden endanger exactly? this is the question whose answer is apparently the wretched masses aren't intelligent enough to know. Don't ask too many questions or you will causes a "crises of democracy" as the trilateral commission called it.

What classified information has Snowden released that has endangered anyone? There is still no answer to this. How is he caused "grave damage" unless you think muddying dick cheney's name any more than it's mangled is causing america "grave damage" this is politicians protecting whatever...

So the public didn't learn about the prism program from this guy? You have such a raging hard on for doing ad hominem attacks on this guy it's funny.

No i'm saying having a "war on whistle blowers" is directly contrary to have a more "free and open" society.

and he wasn't immediatley thrown in jail for it either, you keep missing that part.

Yes all promises must always be kept, honor is not a man made construct and is not misused in any way by authority.

Here's the problem with oaths, the people you make an oath to might not take it as seriously as you do, That was something I learned after noticing most german officers cited their loyalty oath to hitler as the main reason they never did anything to stop him.

what was the "grave damage" snowden caused? the existance of a program will cause grave damage? is that because when rats know they are being watched rats behave differently?

swim in his information like scrooge mcduck swimming through a pile of gold coins? cause he really financially benefitted from all this you know what I mean. Maybe snowden is trying to trade it for putins superbowl ring.

and do what with it?

what did it say?

espionage is exactly what the government does to every person in America. "Espionage or spying involves a government or individual obtaining information considered secret or confidential without the permission of the holder of the information."

RFK to Johnson Why did you kill my brother?

I want to know who was the guy who played the rabbi, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DMzr1roGZY I find the khazar jewish angle the most creative

all those girls are skinnier, and lacking large natural breasts, do you think all asians look alike too?

Football involves too many people, it's more like how good is your managing "team" in football than the individual head coach.

gamestop sells their wired version of an xbox1 controller, the D-pad is oldschool style so you can actually use it for nintendo games ect.

They would just refuse him entry so it's not like he could even travel to UK or france ect. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-8658633.html They have been told: "Carriers should deny boarding. This individual is highly likely to be refused entry to the UK."