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qwerty just doesn't know when to let up, he's too defensive by far. He's not an idiot and makes valid points, but because he posts so much I end up just automatically skipping his posts. Which I rarely do for anyone else. The 10 hour infraction has been a nice break. Not sure what his issue...

I was just using GW1 as an example to the fast leveling issue brought up. Other than that it was highly instanced. Which I don't like. GW1 was a great game and did a bunch of things much better than any other game (even GW2) but it had it's issues as well. edit: One of the things GW1 did...

GW1 had a very short run to max level (20) and an endgame that was much bigger than the leveling game. The reason they did away with that in GW2 is that the modern mmo player has been trained to think the more levels = better game. Even though that is wrong. It is very hard to retrain players...

Like i said, as more of a joke by the devs. Or they could be used to indicate time played or some other stat that is more cosmetic in nature but doesn't effect the players power. It doesn't really matter, and I just put it out there as another way to make levels irrelevant.

Yes, but there are ways to make it so the new levels are not so restrictive and linear. EvE is a good example. They have managed to make it so new players can almost immediately be able to play with people who have been around for years. New players don't have access to all of the ships but they...

As long as the levels are basically meaningless then players will quickly adjust to the new paradigm of infinite levels. The problem is that the in the current version of mmo's, levels trump all other factors. Level is more important that gear, stats, etc. It doesn't have to be like that and imo...

Or another option is to just have so many levels that it is impossible to get to max and make all content accessible to everyone with gear/flag/key/ walls instead. Which is really just another way of making levels irrelevant. What many of us who argue for increased leveling time are really...

I think the leveling content of games like GW2 and Rift would be much more fun if it were more challenging. Part of the problem with both of those games is that they just made it too easy to kill the mobs themselves. Which is a separate issue from the leveling speed. But as to leveling...

There is no fun in playing a game without challenge. If simple easy games were fun then we would never play anything else other than tic tac toe.

Draegan, mmo devs have to create tons of content anyways to keep players interested. It doesn't matter if it's during leveling or if it's endgame, the issue is the same. The problem is they DO create all that midlevel content and then set the leveling speeds so fast that everyone passes most...

I would prefer a very long leveling curve, but it requires that there be real content all along the path. One of my favorite times in EQ was questing for low level SK gear in CT. It was good gear for the level and lasted me a long time. The problem with today's leveling speeds is they make...

I don't think a reskinned EQ classic would be wildly successful either, not in the WoW sense anyways. It would be profitable if done correctly though. But most gaming studios are not interested in the risk of going down that path. Dark Souls has proven that there is a large audience out there...

A lot of people who liked EQ didn't like EQ2 and considered it to be a carebear group game. And many EQ2 players didn't care much for EQ and it's more hardcore style. EQ and EQ2 are very different games that attract different audiences. Which is a smart move by Sony in a business sense. Why...

There is nothing deluded about his reasoning. I experienced the same thing when VC came out. It did take away from the feeling of a living world in EQ and I never RP'd or cared to. Immersion is an illusion, so is watching a movie btw. Suspension of disbelief is necessary to maintain the...

True, but do you dismiss the idea that in general mmo gamers now are different as a whole than they were then (EQ classic, UO)? And for the reasons I stated?

Heheh, true. I'll put it another way, the mmo playerbase now seems to be younger and even more stoned. But I do think that in general gamers were a bit different back then than they are now because of the skill sets needed just to keep a gaming rig operating and being able to afford it...

Yeah, I miss the EQ days when rep mattered. It took care of so many things. Made getting groups easy and kept most of the idiots from going full retard. In EQ, community was mostly a function of the small size of the player base on the servers, the incredible amount of time it took to level and...

I wouldn't say better, it would be different and just as valid.

Voice chat is generally annoying and a waste of most gaming time. Can't stand to listen to pimply faced adolescent rejects prattle on about nothing. But for coordination during raiding or PvP it is excellent and I would hate to do without it. The rest of the time I keep it off unless there...

Sounds like a potential cash shop item. Lost? Buy a map!

Well the effect is that I, and many others, skip your posts. Some people respond to you, but eventually most just give up and ignore you. Is that the result you are looking for?

Qwerty, I know you wont hear this, but I'm going to say it anyways. You are not an idiot, and actually have a number of valid points. But your message is lost in an endless sea of posts that overwhelm the threads you are posting in. You drown out your own message. Spend a little time thinking...

Tanking mage has me intrigued... But they are really killing off the alt factor.

Would love to see a new mmo that had all the old harsh systems that EQ had in it's heyday. But to be honest, I'm not sure I would actually play that game. Auctioning is a great example of the pluses and minuses of old EQ. I just couldn't be bothered to stand in the EC tunnel to auction off my...

My first toon was a SK based out of Qeynos. Spent a lot of time leveling up in the area, the Karanas included. Back then there were plenty of players in those zones. Eventually did the epic journey to Freeport like everyone else, but I never felt that they were neglected zones back then. It...

Many people say that Star Wars Galaxies was a sandbox, I didn't play it enough to judge for myself. EvE is a sandbox mmo in many ways, although it's world building tools are minimal. It really depends on your definition of "sandbox mmo". World building / altering tools seem to be an important...

I'm not against long travel times at all. But the reality of today's mmo market is that most players really dislike long travel times. Even in the past they weren't popular, Vanguard got a lot of grief over it (among other things). Any game that does have long travel times is going to have to do...

While I agree that instancing of any sort breaks immersion, if you don't have them in some way then you'll have to add a couple more things to your list.. queues and/or very long travel times. Players will always gravitate to the zone that they perceive gives them the most benefit. It's a...

Lol, nothing to argue about. I won. Facts are facts. You can continue to chase your tail if you want but I'll leave that dance for Draegan. He likes that sort of thing.

What's wrong? No news on the WoWStar front? From what I've read it is everything you love in a game, the ultimate WoW clone.

Get a grip retard. Every F2P game offers ways to lessen the grind, that isn't P2W. P2W is when you HAVE to pay to get the best gear, that doesn't happen in Rift. The only way to get the best gear is to play. If you can't understand that basic fact then do us all a favor and jump off the nearest...

Rift's F2P is not P2W, anyone that thinks so is a moron. Rift doesn't sell any of the best gear. Like all F2P games they do offer options to eliminate the grind, but that isn't P2W either. If you think so then you shouldn't even bother playing any F2P game because you will be whining incessantly...

Linear design isn't just a problem with dungeons. One of the main problems with SWTOR's overhyped story was the linear design. They offered many choices but in real fact the end was always the same. It didn't really matter in the long term what you did. Choice, alternate paths, consequence...

Hopefully, EQNext will continue the forced grouping thing. A few classes could solo in early EQ and that was fine, but they also tended to be not as needed in raids. I liked that dichotomy. It was hell on the devs though with all the tons of complaint threads about it. Hard do see SoE having...

Aion did a lot of things right, but they also fell into the 2 faction trap. It just boggles the mind how many moronic devs jumped into that hole.

A few years ago I would have loved a EQ reskin. But now days I'm so sick of the standard mmo formula that the only thing that would excite me is something totally new and revolutionary. I will play EQNext and from the sounds of it they have brought some new features to the table, but I doubt...

Parsers are fine for pure dps classes that have no other job. But for everyone else they are a detriment to the raid. How do you parse the person who kites the boss while the healer rezzes the idiots who over dps and pull agro? Thereby saving the raid. How do you parse the person who is...

Your first post was pretty good Qwerty, you should have left it at that. Haven't really followed the conversation since then but it seems to be a little lost in the weeds.

Yeah, good post qwerty. It amazes me that I actually read most of it. I generally skip the long rants, but you kept hitting the right points.

Lol, can't help you there. IA's are supposed to be the fastest way to level though.