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That is not an answer to my question. On what basis do you disagree that the moral claim that I laid out fairly represents the crux of socialism? lol I'm absolutely not. I already explained before that this isn't something I'm going to bother arguing about. If you're going to equate at any...

On what basis? That it doesn't capture the people you've already decided belong to that group? Great. That's what I was accusing you of. I agree, which is why I said before that simply asserting that I've committed the fallacy is tantamount to flatly rejecting my claims about about the...

The case where the no true scotsman fallacy applies is where someone claims there's been a violation of necessary constraints but there hasn't been. Ok well it definitely in no way follows from what I said that "literally anything that proclaims to be a critique of capitalist relations can fall...

lol No you're arguing that there is no means to identify anyone as not-X. That's not accurate at all. I get the feeling you're not reading what I'm writing. It's extremely relevant. It's the entire crux of socialism. Let's not. Dictionaries are descriptive of common usage, not prescriptive...

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Okay well then you're arguing that there are no necessary conditions for classifying anything. Socialism is fundamentally a critique of the power structures intrinsic in capital relations (which are typically expressed in terms of profit, interest, and rent). The base moral claim of socialism...

They do if the contradiction is one of the necessary factors for being a member of the group. It would be easier if you put forward an alternative means for discerning "not-socialism" that wasn't based on first trying to include or not include certain people and was actually based on some...

No. This is totally fucking wrong. You don't have to agree with a particular ideology in order to be able to examine its claims and look for internal contradictions. That's just totally and completely wrong. Only if I'm wrong about the necessary conditions to qualify as "socialist" (and I'm...

Which point? That no necessary conditions can be claimed by anybody because people have different ideas? Great.

Again, you're conflating every contradiction with core beliefs. If your goal here is to covertly reject my claims about what does and doesn't constitute the core of socialism I'd rather you simply come out and say it. Those aren't points I'm really interested in debating (any more than the sky...

How about just learning something so that way you don't look retarded when you talk about it?

TL;DR Version: "communism" can mean anything including systems of massive inequalities of wealth and power because it has to be the case that the Soviet Union counts.

FTFY

Well if contradicting the entire premise of socialism isn't significant then I'm sorry but I don't think you have a rational view of what's significant. In fact, that sort of argument makes me suspect you're arguing in bad faith. No offense but I think that's based on a notion of communism...

Yeah...that's MY point. Sorry but that's a completely retarded reading of the history of what actually happened. When you say shit like that all I can tell you to do is pick up a book on the topic.

lol Whatever helps you sleep at night, dumbdumb.

lol What? How am I doing that? It got betrayed by the people you constantly invoke when you bring up the crimes of communists. The fact of the matter is, if it weren't for the Black Army, the Soviets might have lost to the Whites, but they were there and then the instant the Whites were...

lol If you want to put the limbo bar on the ground and then smirk when I can't get under it, I can't stop you, dumbdumb.

I think we can both grasp why the United States in the 21st century leaving capitalism behind is unprecedented.

So for now I'm gonna skip the religious stuff because getting into what does or doesn't constitute a core belief in religion and whether or not the adherents believe it isn't really relevant, in my view and we can't weigh it without getting into the other side of it which I feel like is getting...

You've quoted someone responding to me giving an example of a nation I thought qualified (or at least came close). You can claim that it "can't" work because they got fucked over and crushed militarily by the very people whose crimes you lay at their feet, but I think we both know that's a...

I'm the one who wants to protect people.

Yeah that's what I said. Are you always pissing your pants like this?

Guys all laws throughout history have been great. See how well that sort of dipshittery works?

I think you're dramatically overselling the degree to which the Christians and Muslims would call those litmus tests (not that majorities actually matter for that question, but you're the one invoking their internal perspective). I'm aware and I think that division is, again, a matter of...

Post-scarcity economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia As for the overwrought political scheme to enforce it, I think it's the other way around. It's the government that keeps the union from going into the factory and working for themselves, it's the government that shows up to throw people...

Except, of course, that there is an easy ideological cleaving between the two outcomes with historical support. lol I don't even know where to start here. You should read the rest of this thread I guess.

I don't think they have theological significance at all. Certainly not core theological significance. I think that's a pretty deliberate misreading of history. I don't think you'd find much support now or historically in the muslim world for the claim that one or the other aren't actually...

Well external and that's a (possible) intrinsic weakness I already admitted. Whether or not it can be done without falling to hostile outside forces remains to be seen.

Anarchism is and has always been a socialist tendancy. The Free Territory (like all anarchist spaces) operated on anti-capitalist grounds. You're RIGHT that "libertarians" should take credit, but of course that word was completely lifted from it's socialist roots to the point where now it's...

I can give you counter-examples if you'd like.

What? How is that in the core Christian theology. The core of Christian theology is belief that Jesus died for the sins of humanity. That is also a matter on which I think someone could be judged not-a-Christian even if they were to claim that they were. People can make all sorts of...

Whatever you do, don't engage. You wouldn't want to embarrass yourself.

lol Really? Is this the best you can do?

Coward.

This inherent contradiction is at the very core of the entire reason to pursue socialism over capitalism in the first place. You can make all the false equivalences to minor matters of dogma in Christianity you want but they're hollow. This is more fundamental than that. It just is. Not only...

If it's impossible to have a successful one, it's not for intrinsic failures, it's for their inability to defend themselves (generally from the sort people you think are communists but actually aren't): Free Territory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia If it were possible... There are...

lol I'd love to hear what you think it is. Let's hear it. Without referencing any particular country or person describe the political theory of communism.