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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Almost anyone has done more than Brad. People posting ideas on Rerolled have done more than Brad.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    What's something you're looking for in the next generation of MMORPGs?
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Yeah, Nirrtix annoyed the pics outta me on that site. She tried to impress me by saying she was in the pot guild but didn't realize I was an officer in the guild. She was such a gadfly.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Oh, and on the Unity license thing. You can download the full Unity program for free. You only have to pay the license fee when you go to put something on the market that used it. So I doubt anyone on the team paid the $1500 or so it costs. But he shouldn't even be worried about it yet.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    They're getting 2k per month. This could last a while.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Did you guys see the recent update? Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen - Blog View - Building Pantheon
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Wow, Brad posted a single sentence in the general forum:Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen - Advanced Forum Detail Topic - ArcheAge! Not even Brad wants to talk about his own game.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    It is just kinda pathetically sad at this point. From such high hopes to such low desperation, it's a Greek tragedy in every sense except the bloodshed.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    An interesting and relevant article to what this thread is all about:James Surowiecki: The Startup Mass Extinction : The New Yorker
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I can't believe anyone would have believed that anyway. The money for the game would be at least triple what they have now, maybe more depending on what Ferrari and what shape it was in. I had someone tell me on the Pantheon chat that Brad sold his Porche, his Ferarri, and a mortorcycle to...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    They automatically lose 1/3 to the government in taxes. Maybe more for those that live in Cali.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Hm. the Modclique at Pantheon seems to be locking good-bye threads now. Odd.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I've been told his wife's cancer is out of remission.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Indeed. The two Pantheon threads on Rerolled are such an important history lesson. They are a cautionary tale to anyone who thinks too much of themselves or who thinks it's easy just to waltz into making an MMO. It's a shame they're over 1000 pages combined, because they would be great...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    And Vhalen just quit for good:
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Man, it would be an incredible fictional novel. A man lucksacks his way into a wildly profitable Internet business. He gets rich and decides to go it alone again. Corporate intrigue sabotages his second project which gets bailed out by an old friend. He's living on easy street after this...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    The NSA thing was the best part!
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I LOL'd hard when I saw this.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Sadly, I think the legend of this will stick around for a while. I have no doubt the old-school MMO genre will be harmed by all of this. If Camelot Unchained does well and Shroud of the Avatar does well, then maybe they can mitigate the damage done here. Otherwise, it's going to be a while...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    You really think there's 30? It can't be that many.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Yeah, at this point even I am going, "How could this possibly get any wackier?"
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    This is true. but we've heard over and over that the team actually came together sometime between July and September of 2013. By now, those kinds of documents should have been created, right?
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Brad had talked about getting the front page number fixed so it would be more accurate. Perhaps that's what happened.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I seriously doubt there is any documentation at all. If you watch the Dave and Rob shows and the KTAM shows, the devs always defered to later-decision making any time some specifics came up. We heard nothing, as far as mechanics go, about character generation, leveling, rewards, itemization...
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I don't see the file from 4-17
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Especially Brad and Salim. A lot of new info came out last night. A lot of stuff I don't think anyone knew.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Perhaps I'd like to get more of the story, and hear what happened for myself rather than relying on second hand accounts.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I hope they recorded it so I can hear the rest.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    You are just making this up, right? I had to log off after 10:30pm Eastern, so I missed about half the show.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I hope KTAM recorded that an will put it up later.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I do remember that, and I do think his prediction will come true.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I notice Brad still has the Ferarri. That's cool.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Ben said no "Kickstarter" was in the plans but they have other options. To me that says, "We'll try Indie-go-go next time instead."
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    If I were out of work, I'd join. At least it's something else to put on a resume.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Does anyone ever go back and read those threads?
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    CanadiaXegony seems to be cracking under the wieght of things as well.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    Yeah. All kidding aside, the Unity stock images and packs do look really amazing. Game design is nothing like it was back in 1999. I really hope that Unity leads to a lot of indie game makers out there coming up with some really awesome stuff in the near future.
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    Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

    I think this mindset is silly. Vangard was a screwup on multiple levels by multiple organizations and people. Bard alone is not to blame. If people want to judge him harshly, they can judge him on what he's done with Pantheon so far. I can see plenty of reasons people could find if they want...