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They all cheat, some just get caught. Happens in every sport. Including racing.
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2025-2026 NFL Season Thread - God hates the Chargers
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Chanur
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Fadaar
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the fact that some of the all time greats weren't unanimous is proof enough that there's a bunch of fucktards and assclowns in the voting pool. like who's the 1 retard who DIDNT vote for Ichiro?
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Gavinmad
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Chanur
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Not going to defend their character but their impact on baseball was undeniable. Also the leagues have fully embraced gambling at this point. It's ridiculous.
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Brahma
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Wombat
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A) Yes
B) But honestly, the bigger issue is that the final round of voting is not "Does this person have a hypermajority of voters think they're worthy of the HoF?", it's "Does this person have a hypermajority of voters think they're worthy of the HoF OVER the other finalists in the pool (to whom this may or may not be their last chance to get in anytime soon)"
The hypermajority part is bad enough, but the second part (tying it to others not getting votes) makes the voting process moronic, as the better the overall pool of candidates, the less likely anyone makes it in.
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Rose disgraced his personal integrity and deserves to be in the hof after his death. Bonds did drugs and cheated and has artificial numbers and accomplishments that damaged the fans view of the game and respect for a century old pastime. Fuck bonds
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Kirun
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This is why you're such a fucking retard. I'll even ignore the fact that guys like Ortiz, Pudge, and Jeff Bagwell all made the HOF despite steroids for a second..
Prior to 1999 (the alleged year Bonds started steroids), these are Bonds' stats -
411 HRs
2,200 hits
.290 avg
.411 OBP
.556 SLG
.967 OPS
445 stolen bases
8 Gold Gloves
3 MVPs
and a WAR of 100.
Even if the guy never touches steroids and retired at age 33, he's STILL a HOFamer.
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BrutulTM
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That's the problem with punishing these guys eternally. With or without the drugs, they were the best. I said this when they took away Lance Armstrong's Tour de France titles. Yeah he was doping, but the guy that came in second who was eventually awarded the title was too and Armstrong kicked his doped ass. If you don't punish the cheaters then the rules have no meaning, but at some point you have to consider what was going on in that era and acknowledge that that guy was still the best. Put an asterisk on it if you want, but don't pretend they're some sort of untouchable, unholy villains when it's always going on in sports. They actually do that pretty decently in the NFL these days I think. People who get caught doping get suspended but it doesn't mean they're a pariah for life, they just serve their suspension and get on with their lives. They should get suspended and/or fined but not banished for life.
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Brahma
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The issue with that argument is that other steroid users got in. I'll use Ortiz. This dude may have had the greatest post season ever by any non pitcher, while he was on steroids.
Ortiz = extremely likable. In
Bonds = Grade A asshat. Out
You either keep em all out, or let em in. I personally would say let them in, because you just don't know how level the playing field was, and they still kicked ass over their peers, who more than likely were using.
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Ortiz can suck it to. Zero sum on drug use to inflate stats
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Drakurii
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Any of these cock suckers with their purity tests can fuck off. The most exciting time I can remember in baseball was McGuire/Sosa home run race. They would shut off the music at any bar I was at when those 2 were up to bat. Could give a fuck what they were taking. That shit was goddamn amazing to watch.
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Kirun
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Not to mention, a lot of the self-appointed "puritans" conveniently ignore entire eras when players were openly pounding alcohol, popping amphetamines, and doing coke in clubhouses and dugouts. All while they played against local plumbers, milkmen, and farriers while not allowing them pesky negros to play. That behavior somehow gets a historical pass and hand-waved away as "part of the game".
Fast forward to today, and sports medicine, nutrition, and training science are so advanced that if you dropped a 1970s player into the modern system, people would probably accuse him of "cheating" just for using the tools that are now standard.
It's the classic boomer mindset where the sport/life is supposed to "freeze" at whatever version they personally consider "pure." Any evolution is treated as moral decay. Ironically, it's a rigid, authoritarian way of thinking coming from people who usually claim to value freedom and tradition. But just not when it challenges their nostalgia.
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